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Nokia suing Apple over the infringment of a dozen of patents

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Nokia suing Apple over the infringment of a dozen of patents - read the full textNokia have obviously had some grudges with Apple ever since the iPhone was introduced in 2007 and now they're even going to court. The reason - well, Apple have used some of Nokia's GSM, UMTS and WLAN patented technologies in all of the three generations of the iPhone, but they seem to be refusing...

 

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> In reply to [deleted post]Hey, just because Apple made two third's of the world's handset revenue in the last two quarters doesn't mean they are going to give a dime to the Nokia bloodsuckers.

Nokia can't make money off their own phones so they attack someone who can.

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  • 2009-10-25 02:56
  • P%nm

> In reply to deep space bar @ 2009-10-24 18:51 from q}kR - click to readYou are talking about yourself, it's called 'SELF-REFLECTION' and your doing it over the internet, Get a Life

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  • 2009-10-25 00:34
  • nERe

> In reply to [deleted post]Well LOL it's obvious what Nokia is playing at, a cheap move by them saying Apple stole there 'Patent Technology' aka GSM/UMTS networks when clearly they have become standard technology nowadays, were the hell do you think Samsung, HTC, Motorola got their Patents from then?

Obviously even they got them as standard lisenced and approved 'Patent'

So what is Nokia crying about? I respect Nokia and their phones but i can't respect them for this move with Apple.


Now you won't find this comment stupid.

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  • 2009-10-25 00:33
  • nERe

> In reply to Anonymous @ 2009-10-24 21:06 from MB1U - click to readNokia says Apple is using their technology.

Apple as a computer company which also makes and designs hardware and software has expertise in all those areas.

They paid Ericsson and Qualcomm licence fees, so why not Nokia?

Maybe they are using their own IP on top of Ericsssons and Qualcomms.

Nokia had to pay Qualcomm $1.7 billion because they were found guilty of infringing Qualcomm's patents.

So how much of the IP Nokia stole from Qualcomm ended up in Nokia's patents?

Apple showed they are willing to pay licence fees and respect IP (Ericsson & Qualcomm) there must be a reason they refused to pay Nokia.

There are highly technical questions and it is up to a court to decide, either that or an out of court settlement will be made.

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  • 2009-10-24 22:41
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> In reply to Anonymous @ 2009-10-24 20:05 from FJT1 - click to readThe court dat will most likely be at the end of 2011.
"The patents cover wireless data, speech coding, security and encryption and are infringed by all Apple iPhone models shipped since the iPhone was introduced in 2007," Nokia said
I understand what you are saying but there does not need to be a court and a judge in order to know someone is a thief and is using part of your technology.
If i stole something that belongs to you, do we need to go to court, for a judge to brand me as a thief before i become one?
I am not basing my comments on this article alone. Ive read this article and others.

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  • 2009-10-24 21:06
  • MB1U

So yes. To look at this lawsuit fairly. Apple may be proven guilty and would be ordered by the court to pay nokia millions of dollars, BUT, the court may also decide to take away patent rights from nokia if this standard feature gave nokia total monopoly of it, which would mean, other phonemakers wouldn't have to pay nokia anymore fees to use these technologies.

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  • 2009-10-24 20:36
  • FJT1

Nokia fans need to know that patents have limits as well. It can change in time. It can expire. Or it can even be removed by the court when reviewed. Something to consider would be: After many years, has that patented technology become a STANDARD? Has the patent gave a company MONOPOLY of that standard technology? Initially when nokia developed those technologies, it wasn't standard technology. There were other alternatives. Hence, a patent was granted to them. After many years, that patented GSM/UMTS IP's pretty much became the standard technology for mobile devices. Thanks to this lawsuit filed by nokia, the court will now review this patent to see if anyone should have exclusive rights to these technologies, now that it has become a standard technology.

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  • 2009-10-24 20:28
  • FJT1

> In reply to [deleted post]There hasn't even a court date yet, and you're already condemning Apple to be a thief. This article only tells its readers of nokia's filing a lawsuit against Apple. Don't be too quick to judge. None of us knows the extent of the patent. None of us know either why Apple refused to pay for those fees. Apple themselves have stringent patents on their IP's, so they must know their rights in refusing to pay. Problem with nokia fans is, they don't understand what this article means. Nokia fans already thinks that filing a lawsuit means you won already. Read the article again carefully. Now tell us if there is anything on there saying that nokia won this lawsuit against Apple.

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  • 2009-10-24 20:05
  • FJT1

> In reply to [deleted post]they want 200 billion for evasion of payments so too bad for that reserve

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  • 2009-10-24 18:52
  • q}kR

> In reply to Dani @ 2009-10-24 17:28 from nERe - click to readstop talking to fool you know nothing

and you'll continue to know nothing

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  • 2009-10-24 18:51
  • q}kR

Nokia is just utter jealous of Apple with the iPhone and it's sales!

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  • 2009-10-24 17:28
  • nERe

apple trying to use super ultra low cost to produce a phone that can sales it at a very high price, so that they can earn more ?

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  • 2009-10-24 16:04
  • ibbB

> In reply to Anonymous @ 2009-10-24 08:13 from vafk - click to readYes, if nokia has spent years to create a specific technology, it has total right to demand money from every company who uses it. Will u work hard on a thing if u know that others will just copy it and u wont be credited????

And when motorola started the mobile business, the technology was different.

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  • 2009-10-24 15:56
  • vQfW

> In reply to Anonymous @ 2009-10-24 06:17 from Px0k - click to readLol...the issue is about copying technology, not design

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  • 2009-10-24 15:52
  • vQfW

Nokia has the chance of more than 90 percent to win this lawsuits

goodbye iPhone

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  • 2009-10-24 13:11
  • uHQp

Infringement* :p

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  • 2009-10-24 11:20
  • 0Cp5

Apple take money off o2 for the privelage of se;;ing i-phone eating into o2 profits,,no other mobile maker demands this fee the cheeky beggars...also any product saying i-pod compatible has to pay apple a 10 percent fee on every purchase..A pple deserve all they get..

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  • 2009-10-24 10:33
  • nGv@

Reuters

Is reporting that some industry analysts estimate that Apple could be forced to pay Nokia upwards of US$1 billion if it loses the patent infringement suit that Nokia filed yesterday in a Delaware District Court. The analysts told Reuters that patent royalty fees work out to roughly 15 percent of the retail cost of a 3G cell phone, with 2G phones requiring a smaller percentage in patent royalties.

The major 3G patents are held by Qualcomm, Motorola, Nokia, and Ericsson. Most of the major manufacturers enjoy cross-licensing agreements that allow them to make use of each other's patents, avoiding at least part of the royalty burden. Ericsson, for its part, told Reuters that it already has a licensing agreement with Apple for its iPhone model line.


Reuters:

15 PCT ROYALTY RATE

The analysts said top vendors who have been in the industry for a long time usually pay a few percent of their revenue as royalties, but new entrants pay around 15 percent of the sales price of 3G phones to patent holders. For older 2G technology the rate is clearly lower.

"Intellectual property licensing costs create a significant barrier for late entrants into the mobile phone space. As a result they become net payers to the big established players such as Ericsson, Motorola, Nokia and Qualcomm," CCS Insight's Wood said.

Nokia said all iPhones -- the original GSM model, and the following 3G models -- use its patented technologies.

"This issue has the hallmarks of the iPhone name and the deal Apple struck with Cisco for the use of this name. They wanted it, and needed it, in the same way they need Nokia's technologies," said Steven Nathasingh, managing director of research firm Vaxa Inc.

Cisco sued Apple for trademark infringement in 2007, after Apple unveiled its iPhone, a name claimed by the network equipment maker. The lawsuit was short lived, and settled within a month for an undisclosed amount and an agreement that both companies were free to use the "iPhone" trademark.

Nokia dominates the global handset market but it has lost some ground to new smartphone entrants like Apple, which entered the market with its iPhone in mid-2007.

In July-September Nokia saw its smartphone market share dropping to 35 percent from 41 percent in the previous quarter, while Apple saw its market share rising.

"The smart phone market share issue is a factor relative to the timing of this suit. This has to create concern for Nokia," Nathasingh said.

Nokia's previous major legal battle ended last year with a one-time payment of 1.7 billion euros ($2.55 billion) to U.S. mobile chipmaker Qualcomm as part of a 15-year patent agreement. ($1=.6664 Euro) (Additional reporting by Ian Sherr in San Francisco; Editing by Jon Loades-Carter)

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  • 2009-10-24 09:45
  • LaID

> In reply to Anonymous @ 2009-10-24 06:56 from mhBf - click to readThat is called 'prior art' was the technology available or obvious before the grant of the patent?

I was using a Motorola GSM digitac before Nokia was granted their patent.

Another question for the court to decide after expert testimony, which you won't find among the fanboys on this site.

It extends to whether Nokia has the right to demand a payment off every GSM or UMTS cellphone user on earth thus creating a monopoly.

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  • 2009-10-24 08:13
  • vafk

> In reply to [deleted post]huh??? u called iphone a gayphone??? hahaha groudless..anyway it much much better n stylish than granpa's phone Nokia hahhaa

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  • 2009-10-24 07:27
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