I can say that easily, because of the 'Windows' factor in this device and that Benq doesn't understand a launch schedule- July 2006!?
I took the plunge and the Nokia E70 is an amazing machine! The only advantage (yes, I would have loved additional on-board memory) to the Benq P51 was the added GPS chip... But with windows... there's little guarentee that it would have functioned properly anyway!
Read my full Nokia E70 review under the E70 comments (to be posted by Friday of this week.... Stay tooned....
Exactly I hate to wait this P51's launching becuse Benq-Siemens as a big company has no commitment with their time schedule. They said they would launch soon July 2006. But now it's August 2006. How can it be??
Oh come on JohnC...
How do you want to compare these two cells? Considering visual aspects no comparison at all! Personaly I think they are being priveded for different customers.
While this WAS my number one choice...
I am getting the Nokia E70 with wifi and Symbian, rather than this one powered by faulty Windows.
Here was my criteria in searching for my new smartphone:
- At least 75 MB on board memory (more, like the P51, rated higher in my search / decision matrix)
- WIFI was a must... I travel so much and my partner takes the laptop and I am left sitting on the bench (or in the car, cafe, etc- you would be amazed how often you can find an open WIFI network and just sit down on the street to use the Internet!)
- Smartphone category phone
- Camera, otherwise what is the purpose of MMS! - but I did consider the E61... but compared to the E70, it's too blackberry looking and lower resolution display (as compared to the E70's outstanding display... and it has a camera)
- Card Slot... some models do pack a lot of memory in the phone.. one model had 145 MB on board, but no card slot for more making it too little memory)
- Bluetooth (and not just for headsets... must connect, transfer file etc...)
- Vibration (can't believe some smartphones don't have it)
- REAL WWW, not just partial web browsing.. ability to use multiple browsers... sometimes, the much faster (and easier on system memory) Opera is plenty, but sometimes I want the REAL webpage as it is on my computer
- Touchscreen or keyboard a MUST. Well I did compromise, as my last 2 phones, Motorola A780 & Sony P900 both had touchscreens and the Nokia E70 does not, BUT, it does have a full spacious keyboard and joystick mouse...
And that's about it for my new phone search criteria... Sure, I'm looking for SMS,. MMS, Mail client, music and video player, etc, but that stuff will be there if my other criteria is met too.
About the Windows...
While I admit I hate Windows (I own both an XP computer and 3 Macs), but I do work "daily".. :-( on a PC... compared to Mac, it is a nightmare.
That being said, I was willing (due to the BenQ fantastic specs and GPS!) to take the plunge-
Hey, maybe Bill Gates got something right? (beside very effectively creating a monopoly of mediocrity) After all, they had to write a new OS for phones, so with all of their experience and all of our money, they could get it right.. right?
You (who post online) convinced be that every Windows mobile device is plagued with excessive freezes and restarts (though all smartphones attempting to do so much, in such a small package of eagerness, fall victim to occasional freezes and restarts).
SO, tomorrow, my dealer in Chinatown, New York City is getting the English version for me at an unbelievable price! Follow my report on features on the Nokia E70 comments page (including the low price paid, once I take possession).
Thanks GSM Arena & everyone!
btw, my Chinatown dealer was the person who turned me on to GSM Arena!
It's already available in Expansys Spain.
I really hope it will be available soon so i can buy this beauty and not SE m600
Well, what would you expect? In other words, what features didnt they include that you feel would have made it worth it? Personally, I think its great. I think there are enough features on it to be a really nice ppc phone. No need to add more if it already has what you need. Now granted, they could have 3G etc.. but i live in the US and as i said before.. its not a big deal since its not so widely available here yet. But I'm curious what you think would have made it worth it to you.
Gosh. There isnt much improvement made on P51 since P50 was out. What waste of time. Yet perphaps WM5 is practible on P50? P5- models are just overtly powerful and WM5 should be accessible for possible upgrades.
I haven't read anywhere, yet, about which software will be available at the point of sale, but I have read that it will be an optional purchase. Meaning its not sold with the GPS software preinstalled. This is what I have gathered. So you could just buy it without the software and then get which ever one you wanted instead of buying the one they have available in addition. Unless of course, they have it at a better price with the package.
I had a LOOX 720 PPC and i loved it. And like most 720 users i couldnt wait for a phone edition to release. So for the last 6 months or so i have really narrowed my next PPC Phone Edition down to the LOOX T830 or the P51. I was really looking forward to the T830 but as time passed i really began to like the P51. Its slightly smaller, quad band instead of tri, larger screen, and of course we cant look over the 128 rather than LOOX's 64. Other than not having 3G i cant say there is anything better in the T830 that's worth an arguement. And seeing that i live in the US where there is no 3G available yet... i could n't care less. And yeah, maybe in a couple years it will become widely available by then but who doesn't look for an upgrade after 2 or 3 yrs anyway. I have to say if you live in the US... this is it folks.
the other problem with the treo that this wont have is that the treo has a square screen and that causes alot of programs not to work
I'd also say that as it uses WM5, and WM5 allows sharing of GPS access data, it in theory could allow for the use of more than one GPS software at the same time for, say, one program keeping the log of your travel, another to capture some photos with place info, and another to play music by the region you're in. Of course it needs to get better processor. :)
It must be a Pocket PC flavored WinMobile5, just because the Smartphone version cannot support touchscreen (interactive screen), as said in this link: http://codebetter.com/blogs/jo.../146047.aspx
The thing I really would like to know is about the power usage in this difference, as said in this article at MS: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsm.../446240.aspx
For more information about Windows Mobile, I suggest the following links:
@fadz -- yep. Was just responding to the comments on this being big and heavy.
@donandress -- I have been under the impression that WM5 is a single replacement for both Windows Mobile 2003 for PocketPC (pretty close, but with some upgrades) and Windows Mobile 2003 for smartphones (which, other than the name, wasn't that similar to the one for PocketPC). So if something worked on the PocketPC, I'm fairly sure it'd work on WM5 ... if it worked for smartphone, I'd be a bit more hesitant to say it'd work ...
Problem is whether I can install any decent GPS software. It's been told to me that "I-go" is one of the best but runs only on Pocket PC and doesn't on Smartphone version. Is WM 5 compatilbe?
It's a Windows Mobile 5. Imho, the difference for smartphones or pocket pcs was more important in the previous OS (2003), afaik.
the big difference between this phone and treo 700 is the gsm network coverage. this phone is a quad band phone, and it can be used all over the universe. the treo 700 has limited gsm coverage.