Anonymous, 28 Aug 2015You are wrong, look the camera sensor size is 1/2.3 but the sensor aperture is F/1.8 like the ... moreWhere is the aperture info from?
It does not say on the device.
I had to google, GSMarena didnt have the info.
According to androidcentral pixel of the LG G4 is 1.29um.
This sony will have 1.12um pixels.
The Sony does have a larger sensor, so with the same f-stop, more light should hit the sensor. But since it has smaller pixels, less light will hit each pixel.
Mening the low light performance is probably worse, if the pixels arent much more sensitive.
And then this will most likely lack OIS, as that makes the camera module larger. Meaning it has to have shorter shuttertime to not introduce handshake in to the picture, and shorter shuttertime means that the sensor will have less time to collect light, yet again meaning worse lowlight performance.
Anonymous, 28 Aug 2015troller.. did u know samsung uses sony sensors? even d 16mp ur boasting is made by sony. IMX23... moreI think that is what he meant. It's true that Sony knows how to manufacture a sensor. But in the digital world, manufacturing alone is not enough if the software which controls is poorly optimized. Huge megapixel in a phone sometimes helps, but is a nonsense in most of daily usages. OIS won't really make a big difference, but software optimization makes every electronic devices worth their pricetag. In this case, if Sony doesn't change the way they optimize the sensor, they will waste their big sensor potentials.
JonHolstein, 28 Aug 20151) HTC already tried that route. Was a disaster. I had M7, worse image quality than Galaxy S1,... moreI'm not going to write a lengthy reply, cause it's late and i'm too tired, but you might want to check your facts again. Sensor size plays a much larger role in low light ISO than the pixel size. Take a 14mp m43, 24mp APSC and 40-50 mpix FF sensors. A larger sensor will always, and I repeat ALWAYS outperform a smaller sensor. This is physics, and history proves that point time and time again, with every sensor revision at a multitude of resolution options. Todays 24mp newest gen Sony APSC sensors, still haven't caught up to FF sensors from 2010, so there goes your "sensor size is irrelevant, sensor gen matters".
Today's FF sensors are 1 stop ahead of the APSC sensor in low light ISO. On the other hand a 12mp A7s, is only 1/3 of a stop ahead of A7r (which is the same generation technology). The only time when A7s pulls ahead, is at extreme ISOs, but then it also loses at low ISOs
Anonymous, 28 Aug 2015Everything is about the LENS. LENS is more important.
Its same as your eyes. So what if you... moreIt's not just about the LENS. There's actually a LOT MORE contributing factors like the processing, sensor, well your Lens etc. which they should focus on. I give an example just like you did, what if you have a very good eyes/lens but you are color blind/poor processing. So it's another failure.
To give you a clear idea of what's going on in the imaging world, some of the LONG comments below, which make sense, can somehow give you explanations.
Anonymous, 28 Aug 2015Sony only good at making camera but this is not good for low light with f/2.3. Sony should sti... moreYou are wrong, look the camera sensor size is 1/2.3 but the sensor aperture is F/1.8 like the same used in the LG G4 so it will be good in low light, I just hope the use OIS this time.
Only 23 MPx? lol
Welcome to late 2013/early 2014, Sony! Nice "flagship".
Anonymous, 28 Aug 2015And how did you conclude that the new 23 MP sensor has cramped Mega pixels? From the the leaks... moreI havent heard of those leaks about the optics. It doesnt say on the device.
But the leaked images here says 1/2.3 sensor, and that will result in 1.12um pixels. Thus smaller than in their previous Z devices.
Although the pixel performance could be improved, so that it is no worse than the older bigger pixels. The pixels are way to cramped anyhow, with todays tech 1.12um is way too small, even with f1.8.
And even if the lens is improved, I highly doubt its good enough for that resolution, probably quite a bit below even the 20.7MP of the sensors before it.
mir, 28 Aug 2015The same 1/2''3 sensor, but with 12mp would've struck a good balance in detail and low-light p... moreI also think that 12 megapixels or so is a good balance.
As I also mentioned in another post, they could market it cleverly. Since they did not resolve much details in their previous Z series, I think they could reach the same amount of detail with a 12 MP sensor, thus they could claim "equal to 20.7MP camera".
Or they could focus on ISO, or pixel size. People hardly know what megapixels mean, so if you throw another figure at them, they will be confused, and think this new thin Sony is marketing must be something important and good.
Stan, 28 Aug 20151) HTC already tried that route. Was a disaster. I had M7, worse image quality than Galaxy S1,... more1) HTC already tried that route. Was a disaster. I had M7, worse image quality than Galaxy S1, especially in low light.
And HTC used the latest sensor tech from Sony?
Not even a sony sensor.
And yes 4MP was taking it too far, as people do want more than 4MP.
Somewhere 8-12, should be more in line with what the optics are actually capable of. It might say 16MP on competing smartphones, but in actual reality, even under really good light, they resolve about that amount of details, meaning that in actual reality it would not be behind.
2) 99% of smartphone photo crowd arent exactly photographers, to them less means worse
We have seen many times companies in marketing claiming to deliver as much as a competing company with higher specs, sometimes that has been true.
So they could make a claim like that, like "equal to 20.7 Megapixels" (cause they should be able to resolve the same amount of details as with their previous Z devices, even with much lower pixelcount).
Or they could focus on something else. Most people hardly know what megapixels mean. So if they start with pixelsize, or ISO or something else, they have numbers to distract people with, so that they wont focus on megapixels.
3) A7rII is now in mid 3000's on clean ISO, and its 42mp. Same goes for A7r vs A7. Its sensor design that really matters.
A7s, (s is part of the name, you know), performs better than other Sony cameras when it comes to high ISOs. However if they dont make a followup, with updated tech, the other cameras will get closer and closer as pixeltechnology improves.
But we are far from a point where you can reach high enough ISOs to compete with our eyes, in normal DSLRs. I think that Canon video camera that was announce not long ago, might have beaten our eyes. But that really lacks in resolution compared to our vision, up to the point where we stop seeing and it keeps on "seeing".
So there is no reason yet, to stop focusing on ISO performance.
4) This is a 1/2.3" sensor, much larger than 1/3" in most smartphones. If they will do it right, it will be a winner. Just look at 42mp 1/1.7" Nokia Pureview. Not exactly a small pixel count.
Sensorsize is irrelevant.
Pixelsize and tech generation of pixels, and the company that made the sensor, (and of course compared to others it must be aimed for the same pricepoint), is what matters.
This sensor has 1.12um pixels, which if I'm not misstaken is the same as the G4 and S6/Note5 and so on. GSMarena seems to have removed that info, cause I'm pretty sure I've seen it here.
However those have brighter lenses, and OIS. So even if this new sensor from sony would have ever so slightly better pixel performance, there are other factors that more than make up for that, among it's competitors. And given what Sony got out from the IMX220 with 1.2um pixel size, the others will probably have the upperhand in processing, as well.
If you look at Nokia 808 or 1020 pixel count and believe that to tell you anything, well then you are fooled.
The only thing that actually matters, is how much detail it resolves (actual captured resolution).
Optics in mobiles are far far away from matching the resolution of those 2 nokias.
So the sensor will be fed much less details.
Then you have the sensor performance. Even high end DSLRs with super quality lenses and good light conditions, cant capture as much detail as their sensor spec tells us (even if they don't have lowpass filters). And with the in comparisson tiny pixels of the 808 and 1020, you can be sure, that even if you could fit a much better lens to that sensor, and provide good light conditions, the sensor would not be able to deliver near the resolution.
i expect sony to lauch z5 ultra with 6'4 inch display and same specs as z5 especially 4k display
EugeneOnTheEdge, 28 Aug 2015Higher res = good!
No OIS = not gonna make any differences from 20MP cam.
No software proces... moreDid u test it urself...
U sammy fanboys are pathetic ....At least let the phone come first...and then only criticise it...Nobody is asking ur views
Mark, 28 Aug 2015I'm very interested if they finally implemented the OIS, but I'm also 99% sure they didn't. I ... moreI agree, they have some of the best cameras in the world like the RX series and alpha. That's why it's so frustrating why it is so hard for them to be on top.
For now, I can't really judge it. Personally, I have no problem with the new Exmor RS sensor for as long as it delivers. Also, I understand its exclusivity for Xperia.
Sony makes sensors for Nikon DSLRs, which we know both deliver top quality photos. Even if they make such, they use their own APS format sensors. So I'm not really worried if they didn't use the IMX. What worries me is again their "PROCESSING"
W/ OIS or W/o OIS is 50/50. iPhone 6 has no OIS but the image quality is still fantastic.
Bottomline: W/ or W/o OIS, IMX or Not, what matters will be the final output.
So we'll keep an eye of that Sony.
Xperia Z5 WILL NOT HAVE A 4K screen please check your info before spreading rumors. Not a single reliable source has confirmed that other than a facebook account that has been suspended yesterday ( Georgia.sony )
A 1440P like the Z4v is expected with a SD810 v2.1
The device is going to be a Z4v + better camera. That's it.
Also why isn't the device in the Rumor Mill ?
EugeneOnTheEdge, 28 Aug 2015Higher res = good! No OIS = not gonna make any differences from 20MP cam. No software proces... moresorry haters ....i have xperia z3 and also alpha in my house there is no comparision between alpha and z3 alpha is just slim and metal otherwise a cheap use less phone with bad cam worst display as known as samsung alpha is jst a crab
I'm very interested if they finally implemented the OIS, but I'm also 99% sure they didn't. I don't get it why such photo-centric company is unable to put it into their flagship phone.
Sony Lover, 28 Aug 2015Hope that Sony one day can bring LG camera system merge with Sony ones.
Optical Image Stabi... moreLG can learn from Sony about cameras because they had no sense about cameras although Sony also helping them for IMX 230.
Lol frist think then write.