Anonymous, 25 Nov 2010You really think they haven't made any effort? You think companies just sit around and go &quo... morewhy should they boast their sales figures? "yeah" comment suggest that n8, c7, c6 and overpriced e7 has only started selling. can't u understand? or are u just trolling around. the drop in shares is because symbian^3 devices hasn't saturated the market. just wait for the report q1 2011 for financial statement. jeez u really are an idiot. jAg1
They are crazy - no autofocus camera, poor battery and high prize.
To have autofocus is elementary. Some newest phones have autofocus even in video recording.
snonre, 26 Nov 2010Android is also rather slow and battery consuming on the iphone. And i have nvr seen any other... moreThat's funny. If anything the HD2 would be the king of portability, as its able to boot more OS then N900. Also yes that is slow, so you're screen swiping is an indicator of how fast a device is? In that case the iphone should be king no? Screen swiping is iphone's forte. Look how long it takes for an app to open up once after clicking. On average 6 seconds. That's pretty slow if you ask me.
Sails, 26 Nov 20101. I make 10 million phones 2. I estimate Europe to need 7 million and Asia another 7 million... moreThere again is your failure of business concepts. Your logic only includes if there is a set quantity of said product. However this is not. It does not make business sense for Nokia to ship less devices to a country with high expectational sales, especially in a country which has a higher return of profit since the device sells for more. More retailers would be more inclined to order said devices. Once again my analogy of apple giving less attention to US and more to Antarctica goes into play here. Nokia shipping less devices to the US and causing higher demand would have made more sense. If something goes out of sale quick, people who would have bought the device would want it more, or they would be willing to import it from another country if they could not wait.
Anonymous, 26 Nov 2010LOL in that case the iphone is a developers device, HTC HD2 is a developers device, Desire HD ... moreAnd no device can come close to the flexibility on the n900. And it doesn't just stop at booting up another OS
Anonymous, 26 Nov 2010LOL in that case the iphone is a developers device, HTC HD2 is a developers device, Desire HD ... moreAndroid is also rather slow and battery consuming on the iphone. And i have nvr seen any other devices with the ability to boot iOS? And how can you call this slow?
the low sales can be blamed by nokia's lack of advertising for the n900
Anonymous, 26 Nov 2010There you go again you just contradicted yourself. Nokia is running short(low sales figures in... more1. I make 10 million phones
2. I estimate Europe to need 7 million and Asia another 7 million
3. I send 7 million to europe and 3 million to Asia. Phone remains in stock in Europe and there is short supply in Asia.
Europeans don't notice but I could have sold 14 million if I had them. Your argument was thst the phone is in supply in Europe so Nokia isn't selling as much as they are manufacturing. And this has got nothing to do with subsidies etc.
snonre, 26 Nov 2010The n900 is indeed a developers device. It performs well is you use it like an average user. B... moreLOL in that case the iphone is a developers device, HTC HD2 is a developers device, Desire HD is a developers device. Been have been able to port android to original Iphone. HTC HD2 has been able to boot Windows Mobile Phone 7, Android 2.2 Froyo, and Linux, and even iOS. Anything can be done if you're willing to put the time and effort into such. Have you seen Meego 1.1 on the N900? It's so horridly slow you cant' even consider it functional. Not impressed. The N900 may have been a developers device who knows, however nokia marketed it as a mainstream high end device, this is fact. Also fact is sales figures were so poor nokia doesn't even want to comment on it, when asked they only replied with "the sales met expectations". Sure it did.
Anonymous, 26 Nov 2010Oh, forgot to mention. Have you even seen the ads for the Nokia N900? For a "developer's ... moreThe n900 is indeed a developers device. It performs well is you use it like an average user. But wants you start hacking it and modding it, who knows what shit can do with the n900. So far it can run android, dual boot with meego 1.1, and so much more! Now you can even plug your pendrive to the n900 (similar to USB OTG feature on the symbian^3 smartphones) by using a power user kernel.
Sails, 26 Nov 2010I said keeping the US supplied to gain all possible visibility. That is insignificant on "... moreThere you go again you just contradicted yourself. Nokia is running short(low sales figures in US and EU) in locations where their phones goes for almost nothing due to subsidizing(EU) yet in asia where they're sold out and go for high prices they will not restock? Your logic is just so awful, please stop trying to make a point. You contradict yourself more and more with every post. You say that its good for Nokia to go short in countries that have a high price for their phones, however in Asia where Nokia devices sell much better and at much higher profit margins Nokia is "sold out" like you said. Yet they wont' restock but they keep a surplus in the US and EU?
Sails, 26 Nov 2010How thick are you?
You completely miss the points and just keep going off the tangent. N900... moreOh, forgot to mention. Have you even seen the ads for the Nokia N900? For a "developer's device" they sure didn't market them as such huh? Not even once did the videos mention the open ness of Maemo.
here you go, heres the ad for the N900. Lets see, I see how it advertises its multimedia capabilities, web surfing capabilities, social networking capabilities, messaging capabilities, even calling. Where in this advertisement does it show you that it was meant as a developer's device? Usually you don't spend a lot of money towards marketing something you don't expect to sell to mainstream buddy. Nice try, once again your ignorance is pitiful. Stop making excuses and just admit Nokia is a failure. That's the first step towards a cure. Admittance. :)
Anonymous, 26 Nov 2010There again is your failure of business model concepts. Ever heard of Supply and demand? Read ... moreI said keeping the US supplied to gain all possible visibility. That is insignificant on "supply and demand". Europe I said should be kept in stock better than other areas because they get a better price there.
And the figure shows that if you run short its better to happen in hong kong Italy. Is that really such a hard concept?
I own both N810 and N900. I also own Nokia mainstream devices. I know the difference.
Anonymous, 26 Nov 2010There again is your failure of business model concepts. Ever heard of Supply and demand? Read ... moreU know, all of this business strategy talk is going nowhere. Is not like we, the average joe, care about this kind of stuff. So sails, jAG1, pls get back on topic. You wont get a medal debating this kind of shit.
Is not like you can change nokia's business strategy. All i know is nokia still exist and wont be gone until they are really gone, same goes with symbianOS
Sails, 26 Nov 2010How thick are you?
You completely miss the points and just keep going off the tangent. N900... moreThere again is your failure of business model concepts. Ever heard of Supply and demand? Read up on demand relationship please. Your ignorance is just pitiful. Your original post states that Nokia has a surplus in US and EU because they have smaller market share in these country and want to gain market share. That is why they saturate these markets with N8 while markets will high demand they do not supply? So they're losing sales number and market share at the same time just for potential gain which most likely will not occur due to high competition? Nice little website you linked, did you just google something random up? The site you linked only shows varying prices of Iphone 4 across the globe, no where does it show demand or sales figure? Talk about someone with a thick skull. Nice way to "prove" your point. So now that the N900 was a flop you call it a developer's device? Funny thing, you do know that N900 was not first Maemo device from Nokia right? How is it a developer's device when nokia's released maemo devices for quite some time before? This wasn't their venture into something they've never done before. It was a gamble they took and they failed. I never said that a company must announce sales figure, I said in Nokia's position if they did have a good launch it would be way more beneficial to them to release sales figures to keep share holders satisfied. You do know that Nokia's #1 obligation is to keep share holders happy by showing them a return on their investment right or did you really believe Nokia was looking out for you? Their loyal customers?
Like I said, once again, its funny how nokia would tweet about the 5800 doing good, but not about their current flag ship the N8? Especially in times like this where competition is fierce. Oh did you read? Android has overtaken symbian OS in smart phone market in most asian countries, but hey Nokia likes to keep quiet ;). Have fun buddy. Nokia is a sinking ship, all their previous board members knew this thats why they left. Even the guy in charge of MeeGo left ship and is now working at HP developing WebOS. I wonder why he left? wasn't MeeGo Nokia's saving grace? Oh right MeeGo just recently announced minimum requirement is 512MB ram. That means N900 can't use MeeGo 1.2+. So much for a developer's device right? How long did Maemo 5 even last? Not very long.
Big_Bang, 26 Nov 2010Yeah nokia signing their dead certificate in high end market. 8mp full focus camera, forget it.This is a business phone mate. Professional and business people dont give 2 hoots about their phone camera. And i think the camera is capable of scanning name cards and labels cause last time on my nokia 6120 classic i could scan labels and name cards by using an app called ScanR and the camera was just a 2mp fixed focus camera, lol. I dont see why the e7 cant do the same. Or if you still want a good camera phone, go for the n8 and buy yourself those flexible keyboard like this kind http://www.sizlopedia.com/2007...ur-computer/ and plug it in using the USB OTG feature.
And btw, the price is not set by nokia, it is by the retailer.
Yeah nokia signing their dead certificate in high end market. 8mp full focus camera, forget it.
Anonymous, 26 Nov 2010That's rich. First off equal distributions and expected sales go coincide. Do you expect Apple... moreHow thick are you?
You completely miss the points and just keep going off the tangent. N900 was sold out for a long while, about 4 months in most of europe and India launch kept delaying. You know why? Because it is a developer phone and people bought it as mainstream.
I'm not going to argue about the sales since neither of us has any data and this is based on your great insight that they MUST announce figures within two months of launch if the phone sells well.
I'm going to try one more time with the pricing... Here is a chart.
Real world data. Say you have limited amount of phones to sell. Which countries would you keep stocked?
Sails, 26 Nov 20101. Nokia has had what around 1000 models? GSMArena alone lists over 300. For how many have the... moreThat's rich. First off equal distributions and expected sales go coincide. Do you expect Apple to supply US(high demand) with less supplies and start focusing on Anartica(extremely low demand) with more surplus even if apple projects a movement of maybe 1-2 iphones? Same logic applies to Nokia and US/EU/Asia. Especially in EU/US where price of handsets aren't as good as in Asia? In Asia they pay higher prices for mobile phones than US/EU since US/EU heavily subsidizes their mobile phones. Nokia has always never bothered to compete in the US due to this fact, that people in the US generally expect to get their phones for close to nothing.
So first you say that we shouldn't take "tweets" serious. Now your reasoning is due to Nokia's broad portfolio of devices we shouldn't expect them to announce for every model? I'm not talking about every model here, i'm talking about their N8. In which YOU seem to suggest that sales figures are good, if it was good Nokia would proudly boast sales figures, much like Samsung with the Galaxy S, Apple with the iphone, HTC with basically every phone, Motorola with their droid series. So once again I ask you, why is it that Nokia boast sales figures of 5800, N97, but not N900 or N8? Only one logical reason, they're failures, especially since even after 1.5 years Nokia does not want to comment on rumors that the N900 fail to even sell over 100,000 Units. Nokia doesn't need to focus on boasting about their C2's do they? Since just the nokia name would sell these sub $200 units quite easily in markets where Galaxy S and such are not even available.
Anonymous, 25 Nov 2010Umm... Do you even know what you're saying? those tweets were directly from Nokia themselves. ... more1. Nokia has had what around 1000 models? GSMArena alone lists over 300. For how many have they announced the figures for over the years? It is quite obvious they dont announce the figures for each phone that sells well and it especially doesn't mean that they would have announced it within 2 months of launch. What they have announced is they expect to sell 50 million Sym3 devices no timetable was given, but back then Sym4 was supposed to lauhch in 2011. You can extrapolate something from that. If there are shortages it does mean they are close or over their predicted sales rate.
2. You do know that electronics and software prices have huge differences between countries and that it isn't explained by taxes and shipping alone? Say you have supply of 2000 units and you could get 500 euros/unit with from one country and 300 euros/unit from another country with demand of about 1500 from each. Would you distribute equally?
3. Since I doubt you have any hard facts either and since Nokia sells devices to what, 190 different countries? I don't think either one of us can do anything but wait for Q4 results or some other announcement. I do believe they will give some info on Sym3 figures at some point.
Anonymous, 25 Nov 2010Umm... Do you even know what you're saying? those tweets were directly from Nokia themselves. ... moreMost probably they will announce the sales figures by December or when it reaches a milestone (not sure what is their milestone though). We'll just wait and see