Anonymous, 22 Mar 2017its the software , its based off the same Arm design .The cores in A10 Fusion may use the same ARMv8-A architecture as the ones in Snapdragon 835... But that doesn't mean that they are equal... The Hurricane cores (A10) are customer made by Apple and have much better performance per core than Kryo 280, but they are also larger, that's the reason why they are just 2(I'm talking just about the big ones, not the LITTLE Zephyr ones)... In contrast Kryo 280 are semi-custom based on the stock A73 from ARM and are smaller in comparison and lower in performance per core, but are 4 of them (again I'm talking just about the big ones at 2.5GHz, not the LITTLE ones at 1.9GHz)... So to sum it up, A10 Fusion has better single core performance, but worse multi core performance and IOS it's optimised to use the single core speed as an advantage, 835 has worse single core performance, but better multi core performance and Android is optimised to use the bigger number of cores and overall more raw power as an advantage. In the end you won't see a big difference when comparing an iPhone with a flagship Android in day-to-day usage... The software part that you talked about comes to help IOS when we talk about games, which open faster and could run a bit better(in a extremely demanding game) on Apple devices, developers choosing to optimise better the IOS versions of a game because it sells better there and they are much fewer devices to work on making things easier to do.
Okay the graphics performance part is interesting, still messing the power efficiency part.
Surficial, 22 Mar 2017I'm sure apples mobile SOCs would work in something like that 12" macbook.
Also arm cores cou... moreMicrosoft and MacOS, and ESPECIALLY Linux is not compatible with Arm based architecture. For first point of why. X86 is CISC Architecture based(complicated Instruction String Code) which takes up FAR MORE Resources (such as frequency and L2 Cache) and generates MASSIVE amount of heat (65W to about 140 depending on how it's built)
While ARM is RISC (Reduced Instruction String Code) which are far simpler, and due to that Technique. You can use lower Frequency and Cache for the same preformance as an x86 with peak heat of just 3W (True that Kaby Lake i7 is FAR more powerful than a Fusion Core. At 5784 and 3,479 respectively)
Due to the fact there are two Instruction Systems. The PC cannot "Decide" which Instruction to use as A propertiary Desktop OS doesn't know how to "handle" RISC coding. Thus impossible in reality.
CONSIDERING ARM and x86 could work Cooperatively. That would be a great Idea.
J o m s, 22 Mar 2017That's the conclusion of most Pro-Apple sites when they saw that iPad has higher GB score than... moreWell I mean that 12" is macbook is a sort of sub-laptop only really for web browsing and office software.
Doesn't need any power really so they could do it for efficiency.
Exynos 8995 would have a far better GPU, which would shame Adreno 540.
Surficial, 22 Mar 2017I'm sure apples mobile SOCs would work in something like that 12" macbook. Also arm cores cou... moreThat's the conclusion of most Pro-Apple sites when they saw that iPad has higher GB score than most Intel i3 and i5 notebooks and tablets our there. Hey we can ditch our notebooks and laptops now because iPad has better GB score LoL.
J o m s, 22 Mar 2017It will never be. Even my 5 year old AMD Trinity is still superior than A10.
You have to put ... moreI'm sure apples mobile SOCs would work in something like that 12" macbook.
Also arm cores could be added to x86 socs as efficiency clusters, if software works alright with it.
Anonymous, 22 Mar 2017its the software , its based off the same Arm design .It's definitly not based on the same core. Apple uses its own completely different, much wider design, with much higher IPC. The size of the A10 CPU cores are huge in comparison to other ARM designs.
Anonymous, 22 Mar 2017Microsoft is already moving part of the backbone to arm. It's no secret that Intel sucks, the... moreIt will never be. Even my 5 year old AMD Trinity is still superior than A10.
You have to put A10 in Macbook with OSX and compare it with Intel equivalent Macbook to do proper comparison. Geekbench was loosely used by ret*rded reviewers to mislead readers than one SoC in a different OS is better than another SoC in a different OS.
The most reliable comparison between two different platforms is to use real-world apps and games. Of course you need to consider again the display resolution if you are running games. Time them, record the framerates, not the throw random useless score that don't mean anything.
Hoffmann, 22 Mar 2017Now compare these benchmarks with Apple A10 Fusion and let's see what happensSD835 and A10 are equally good in CPU, SD835 is much better in graphics and multi-tasking. The rest of the story are dependent on the amount of optimization done on the apps and games.
Take into account as well that this prototype was running on 1440p display while the iPhone has VGA mode display. =D
Now compare these benchmarks with Apple A10 Fusion and let's see what happens
zegunato, 22 Mar 2017aah interesting. I just googled out the Kryo 280 specs, and it was indeed a semi-custom design... moreThey should have done it now that they are on 10nm. 2.8-3.0Ghz x 2 for Performance cores and 2.4Ghz for Efficiency cores.
J o m s, 22 Mar 2017Better IPC than Intel? Bwahaha, just because of worthless GB. =D
Hey lets spread the news to ... moreMicrosoft is already moving part of the backbone to arm. It's no secret that Intel sucks, they merely keep the legacy monopoly.
Also I didn't say that A10 has better IPC, Geekbench is not enough to determine such a thing. I said that it wouldn't surprise me if it is/was.
Claudiu.Lucian, 22 Mar 2017in reality you and GSMArena are both wrong and right because 835 has: 8x Kryo 280(most likely ... moreaah interesting. I just googled out the Kryo 280 specs, and it was indeed a semi-custom design based on A73, unlike the original Kryo from 820/821 which is a complete custom design.
this makes me wonder how fast will it be if Qualcomm manages to cram all 8 Kryo cores from 821 into an soc
Benchmarks should somehow take into account the power usage as better throughput can be achieved by cranking up the Hz thus increasing power usage.
Anonymous, 22 Mar 2017CPU does not use any drivers, do you know why? Because it is the only software agnostic compon... moreBetter IPC than Intel? Bwahaha, just because of worthless GB. =D
Hey lets spread the news to OEM builders so they will put A10 instead of Kabylake or Ryzen CPUs and world will enjoy the fastest SoC in this planet. =D
J o m s, 22 Mar 2017Load of BS. CPU is nothing without the OS. The OS is responsible for communication between the... moreCPU does not use any drivers, do you know why? Because it is the only software agnostic component. A10 would run equally well on any os. Yes, A10 has probably better IPC than Intel, it makes sense too, Intel stopped upgrading its IPC since 2008...
J o m s, 22 Mar 2017Hey ranger, calm down. When you load a page or an app, what does it do? It runs CPU and possib... moreNo, those are very much IO database searches for half or the most part. CPU plays a role but obviously much less so. Also I agree with you that Geekbench is not that important, there are better apps showing the same thing about cpu, like physics tests, cpu heavy emulation , video encoding. In all of the A10 absolutely decimates weak Qualcomm.
You're probably a Qualcomm fundie which is why you don't criticise this terrible company that can scarcely touch even last year's performance on extant android chips.