Stan, 19 Jul 2017Just noticed something else - the lens teaser pictures point at a 21mm f2.8 lens. If that's th... moreThe lens shown on the teaser is just representational. It's an actual Leica M-Mount lens from Zeiss. Check the other images here: https://www.amazon.com/Zeiss-Biogon-Leica-Rangefinder-Cameras/dp/B000MPNJBK . I don't think Nokia will go to f/2.8 unless it's a 2x telephoto lens. For primary normal focal length camera, they will try to stick around f/1.7 (just like all other flagships and flagship-killers) if they want to stay in the competition.
Stan, 19 Jul 2017It remains to be seen. Nokia is also known for using not-so-great camera modules. At rumored d... moreyou do realize that Nokia phones used to have Toshiba sensors right. Its one of the few high end flagships that did not rely at all on Sony technology for their high end cameras which also used Carl Zeiss lense which was also not normal. Its what made nokia Lumia phones hipster and edgy because it also used a different operating system.
Sony ofc now has purchased the Toshiba sensor division so basically its Sony's Tech now. but its becoming increasingly less likely this camera will be all that amazing or this phone at all will stand out now thats its in the android arena which is a over saturated market.
and even Toshiba couldn't really compete with Sony sensors sony seems to be at the fore front of sensor technology. only thing superior to Sony is the lense because its Carl Zeiss but sony is second with the G lens.
Nothing standout about Nokia anymore now that it has no windows.
Paudebbs, 18 Jul 2017nokia is known for its zeiss camera. and the quality is already proven. without this, its just... moreJust noticed something else - the lens teaser pictures point at a 21mm f2.8 lens. If that's the case, then we might as well call it a day for Nokia's camera quality. HTC U11 has a relatively large 1/2.55" sensor behind a very bright f1.7 lens. At f2.8, the zeiss lens is about 1.5 stops darker. To compensate for that, in order to at the very least match the quality of HTC U11, they must use a sensor, that is around 1/1.7". Based on devices renders - there is no room for a sensor of that size, so unless they are planning on using some kind of a dual-frame de-noise algorithm, they will be the worst on the market in camera image quality.
Paudebbs, 18 Jul 2017nokia is trying to come back. And it is known for its camera(zeiss and pureview) but without t... moreIt remains to be seen. Nokia is also known for using not-so-great camera modules. At rumored dual 13mp this sounds like a typical old Sony 1/3" module, like the one used in LG V20.
The most powerful camera phone on the market today, is the HTC U11, using the 12.2mp Sony IMX362 module, which is miles ahead of it's immediate competition (thanks to HTC properly tweaking the firmware). The sensor is 1/2.55"
Now, based on designs, HMD is not using the Lumia 1020 sized module(1/1.5"), and on top of that it seems highly improbable that they're even using a Lumia 950 sized module (1/2.4"), this is based of the renders around the camera area - there's no camera bulge that would be able to house such a large sensor. On top of that, PureView algorithm is very good with a high resolution sensor, and at 13mp, it's not that either.
While i'm quietly hoping for Nokia to use a great camera module in their phone - based on specs, it seems to be the likes of Sony IMX298, which is a tiny 1/3" sensor.
Paudebbs, 18 Jul 2017nokia is known for its zeiss camera. and the quality is already proven. without this, its just... moreIf you think there's nothing that stands out, then you clearly haven't checked Pixel XL and HTC U11. Both being miles ahead of anything out there in the market, with the latter completely decimating any competition in both Photo and Video quality.
Kangal, 17 Jul 2017*sigh Sounds just like a Huawei. Scratch that, the Huawei is better as LEICA is revered by... morenokia is known for its zeiss camera. and the quality is already proven. without this, its just be like what is on market right now. nothing to stand out
Anonymous, 17 Jul 2017so u mean the oneplus 5, s8, iphone 7 are ordinary phones? nokia is trying to come back. And it is known for its camera(zeiss and pureview) but without this it will just be ordinary phone. When i said ordinary phone it means what is on the market now.(samsung, sony, etc.)
Nokia in india have to launch at correct price..pricing is the main factor in in india..4gb variant under 30k and and 6gb variant under 35k ..could be great because..over 40 k we have many better device..And if person is spending this much he will definitely go with apple or Samsung s8...
mir, 17 Jul 2017Windows phone was the downfall of Nokia. Why do you think that almost no OEM is selling a phon... moreYep.. Even they mighty Samsung tried to breath life into Windows Phone and failed.. Only Nokia has the strength to carry the dead Windows Phone.. But that cost them everything and then they were doomed.. Now they are back with Android and mark my words - in 2018 they will oust Samsung from the smartphone throne
mir, 17 Jul 2017Windows phone was the downfall of Nokia. Why do you think that almost no OEM is selling a phon... moreits true it has no app support yes but for anything essential it was pretty good and pioneered certain features seen on android and IOS right now.
I totally understand what you guys are saying but you have to realize the moment nokia steps in the android segment it becomes extremely competitive and you guys are just attached to the brand name.
Nokia lumia phones were also much better designed than this phone. Im not really impressed by the design and it doesnt seem to offer anything truly unique.
Anonymous, 18 Jul 2017stand out? you sound so misinformed, check Nokia sales before and after Microsoft took over, a... moreYou mean to say that Nokia sales with phones was much better with windows :o ,I said that Nokia phones made them stupid phones
the tech nerd, 17 Jul 2017Yeah Windows phones were making them stand out With stupidity XD XD ,it doesn't look in p... morestand out? you sound so misinformed, check Nokia sales before and after Microsoft took over, and check it again now that Nokia is under HMD, keyboard warrior
Ok, so Karl Zeiss optics - great.
What about the camera sonsor, Sony maybe?
ren122, 17 Jul 2017without windows anymore there is nothing really stand out about nokia phones anymore. It will ... moreWindows phone was the downfall of Nokia. Why do you think that almost no OEM is selling a phone with WP OS right now? Because its bad and there's no support for it.
ren122, 17 Jul 2017without windows anymore there is nothing really stand out about nokia phones anymore. It will ... more@ren122
Nokia+Windows OS = zero sales. Nokia+Android = huge demand.
Windows OS was a disaster for sales. It is now dead. MS have chucked in the towel.
Move on, you are flogging a dead horse!
ren122, 17 Jul 2017without windows anymore there is nothing really stand out about nokia phones anymore. It will ... moreYeah Windows phones were making them stand out
With stupidity XD XD ,it doesn't look in picture but hopefully at least one camera is with ois(it really matters in low light),just see difference between op3t camera and op5 camera in low light,you will find op3t better than op5 just due to ois enabled in it unless you carry a stand for mobile
Anonymous, 17 Jul 2017The king is dead , has been for a looong timeHow come People that work by hmd global are al former employees from Nokia, so Nokia is not dead, at my work evetybody is laughing because i said Nokia will be number 1, i bet for 1000 euro