ren122, 28 Jul 2017okay so now consider all that it takes to make a ps4 or a digital camera. I can get 2 ps4 for ... moreMan, I don't want to give validation to companies for hiking their prices up but let's be real!
First, Mobile/Xperia and Console/PS are both differ in division, both have different systems. There is an urge to heavily spend and invest money on RnD for mobile division because it takes them more than twice a year to release smartphones but not the consoles. It means the mobile division also need more resources to fund.
Second, Manufacturing Cost.
You claimed that you're already in development of your own smartphone, it cost you 400USD for the simplest phone assembling without things I and another already mentioned on previous reply but don't you know it is already wide spread globally on internet that it takes only 381 USD for Sony to manufacture a PS4 and Sony sells it 399 USD, it means they get just 18 USD/console do you think you can paid your more-than-hundred employees for years with that profits even if you sell hundred million consoles? No! If you don't believe it what don't you have incentive to tear your PS4 ,re-assemble and calculate it just like you do to your Xperia? Note that something bigger doesn't always mean more expensive to build or produce, it sometimes depends on what market it is targeting.
Mobile division sells hardware and software in the form of unity so it's one and only source to get profit to sustain, of course selling a unity device is more expensive (just like selling computer, almost half the price is for the software installed), you'll even get FREE software supports and updates meanwhile the console division sells only the hardware and earn more profit by lisensing their games to publisher. In short you just buy the console yet still you need to pay/buy more for new games you want to play. It cost more, right?
Buy a flagship for 700 USD with 2-3 years software support, it saves you approximately 1400-2100 USD before buying a new phone THEN you buy a PS4 for 400 USD that is impossible for you to play just a game in 3 years or at least until the PS5 released. Says 30 USD for a PS4 game, you buy 10, equal to 300USD. At the end it cost the same but buying phone saves you up to 2000USD.
Fourth, The usability.
A phone has become a mini computer that helps your productivity, your works, has replace many things like camera, music player, notes, alarm, and much more, the consoles do not but entertainment. Yes you can follow any tournament and win the prizes but which helps more your productivities?
Man, buying a phone means you pay for the practical idea and usability in an almost complete package of products that helps you and anyone related to this business.It's not only who can sell it cheaper but it is business companies are running.
After all it's you who decide which phone to buy but please be real, PEACE :-)
NotAFanboyy, 28 Jul 2017I used to be a diehard Sony fan but Sony's phones are severely underwhelming, its honestly sad... morethe thing is there is nothing wrong with sony from an engineering perspective its just said they havent done anything innovative.
the z2 and the z3 were ahead of its time becuase it provided looks, materials, and combination of features that no other competitor had or even struggled to come close. Ip68, front facing speakers, aluminium and glass body, 20.7mp camera, great audio, microsd card etc
but Sony has literally just slept on that model ever since and hasn't changed anything. I guess maybe you can defend sony as in what is there really more to do with a smartphone. But for starters reduce bezels or make new design, make louder headphone jack and better camera software.
Anonymous, 28 Jul 2017Yes....
What you did is exactly what chinese brands do. Just buy and built.
I did not have... moreokay iphone does the same thing as do most companies because they do not produce anything or manufacture anything on their own. Sony and samsung are two biggest companies that manufacture sensors and displays on their own while others just buy from other companies.
but you still didn't explain to me how a ps4 is cheaper than a smartphone while requiring more materials to make. i can get 2 ps4 for the price of one flagship
Why though, 28 Jul 2017Dude, You made an SD 820, 3200 mAh, 1440 oled for $400 yet you are saying $600-700 is too much... moreokay so now consider all that it takes to make a ps4 or a digital camera. I can get 2 ps4 for the price of one flagship or one ps4 and another digital camera, or one ps4 and a cheaper smartphone.
please stop making excuses for companies to rip us off when something like the ps4 has a higher production cost yet is cheaper.
NotAFanboyy, 28 Jul 2017I used to be a diehard Sony fan but Sony's phones are severely underwhelming, its honestly sad... morei want a year warranty, waterproofing and sd820 , official software support, android 8.0 when it comes out with a packaging
remember to have a nice handfree included and all the stuff i can get so I wont have to pay 450$ to a website its displayed with the name XPERIA XZ
and you just need to do one good thing for the customer
BRINGGGG A BETTER DESIGN ,DO SOME R&D and GIVE A COMMERCIAL DURING9 O CLOCK NEWS SHOW
NotAFanboyy, 28 Jul 2017Sony can offer quality at lower prices, pricing $300 more than competitors like OnePlus is a p... moreclapping!!!!! you just told us you are good at something,
now tell me you know something called R&D?
you know something called software support?
you know something called marketing??? cuz if you will know these the only thing you will do is say " 300$ BEATS IS NOT WORTH 100$ "
plz go check why people buy apple. there hardware is much cheaper but their software alone is worth 500$ for them , you just made a phone of yourself of last year specs for 400$ , xz is for 400$ with warranty, and many things you are don't have to run a company
Anonymous, 28 Jul 2017So.... One Plus 5 No stereo speakers No IP68 No slot sd No 4K hdr No imx400 No QC 3.0... moreyou just showed the world what is the definition of gimmick , thats where a hardcore user will stop throwing its 500$ and get a 700$ xz premium which is probably the best android phone on the market
Anonymous, 28 Jul 2017LDAC makes a hell a lot of difference for any phones. The transition is phenomenal. So all tho... moreeven without ldac, hi res (bluetooth also) is the reason why sound quality is un-matchable from any other device
androidmasterrace, 28 Jul 2017The Note 8 will come with 6GB of RAM standard and even have a special model with 8GB, Sony wil... morewatching ur hatred on many comments but this thing shows you are not aware how a phone works, go buy one plus 5 which is half the price of note 8 with double ram
but it bashes on your face the moment you see xz premium beating 8gb model on most apps opening and working with half ram, far better screen (4K HDR !!!!!!!!)
so my point is you are unaware of one thing which is software optimisation and I would (and every knowledgeable person ) will be glad to know that specs are just paper work, otherwise apple is not even worth 300$
its been almost 3 decades sony started making softwares (before ps1) and still the best non google optimised phone on the market
but you wont know it unless you buy it or even use it for a day
Bebe Rexha, 28 Jul 2017It's not about more is better for fs! You probably criticized Sony for using 4K HDR on smartp... morepracticality? LOL. you call it practical? lol. that huge bezel thick phone with bad screen to body ratio? LOL please stop joking dude
REMEMBER: There is no right phone for everyone, just one that suits either your tastes, needs, budgets, or any combination of those.
Anyone who forces you to buy something that does not meet any of those goals you set is an id1ot. There is still freedom of choice in this world - use it for yourself.
For people having a meltdown about the price, it'll get cheaper by about Â€100 after a month or so, full price preorders will get bonus headphones, no worse value than the other aaa brands and better than apple.
This will only have to compete with the xzp in performance, dual pixel autofocus should improve low light fuzziness (not saying ois wouldn't help).
And no-one will be confused with the naming scheme in a year when it's the x2 lineup, not that anyone who doesn't know phones buys xperias.
androidmasterrace, 28 Jul 2017The Note 8 will come with 6GB of RAM standard and even have a special model with 8GB, Sony wil... moreOIS and EIS together is always the best, I do find the photos unsatisfying sometimes because of the blurry artifacts at night
Anonymous, 28 Jul 2017There there there Sony can't do any wrong right? Ask anyone on the streets does it make sense ... moreExcellent point, we know these are second generation phones because we follow tech news but the average consumer will think it's a first gen phone or something else. Sony's horrendous naming scheme is getting harder and harder to follow even for those who are in-the-know.
Anonymous, 28 Jul 2017Well I'm positive only on Sony brand simpleYou just indirectly admitted to being more biased than the person you were responding to since you only like one single brand ROFL!
Anonymous, 28 Jul 2017nobody afraid of sony. sony's mobile division is just a tiny little company with itty bitty ma... moreLOL someone wrote this earlier, "Sony needs to produce products that really stand out not help out other companies to become as competitive as them." Competitive as them he said lol what planet are these super-fanboys from?!
savage, 28 Jul 2017People are just retard as f##k,its just a leak and not even official spec yet,but yet already ... morePeople are always willing to pay that much for the top two smartphone makers, nobody would be willing to pay that much for an old looking Sony phone; scratch that maybe 0.1% might. Not "hating" just spittin facts.