Looks like the competitors afraid Sony better and even better each day.
ren122, 28 Jul 2017as a sony fan their product naming is definitely beyond st*pid. They need to fix that.
a... morePlace the fingerprint scanner at the back but does't center it is more stupid designs. Remove the bezel but not increase the durability design from out side to inside, definitely a crap designs.
ren122, 28 Jul 2017I agrer with almost everything you said but we have to agree this is true for any smartphone c... moreExactly, and the best way for Sony to differentiate is not to follow others and price their own way and that means undercutting the competition. I can understand the Snapdragon 835 being more expensive, but its definitely not more than $10-20 more than the 820. NAND flash and memory prices are also declining.
I used to be a diehard Sony fan but Sony's phones are severely underwhelming, its honestly sad to see these Sony fanboys who are clueless choosing to praise overpriced trash. I'm a Z3 owner and a past XZ owner and as an electronics engineer, I know very well what the problem with Sony is now.
NotAFanboyy, 28 Jul 2017Sony can offer quality at lower prices, pricing $300 more than competitors like OnePlus is a p... moreI agrer with almost everything you said but we have to agree this is true for any smartphone company not just Sony. I don't think any company is worth 700 dollars given that most every company pretty much uses the same components from the same companie.
Meaning no phone should really cost that much unless you're using some insane material or tech nobody has
Bebe Rexha, 28 Jul 2017Not Sony's problem if you can't afford their products.
This is a mainstream serious flagship ... moreSony can offer quality at lower prices, pricing $300 more than competitors like OnePlus is a pure gimmick. Samsung S8 AMOLED also looks better than Sony screens so it makes sense to charge more, however S8 is also cheaper at around $600 now. Sure, if they priced it $50-100 more than a OnePlus, it would make sense. Think about how a PS4 Pro with 10x more hardware only costs $400, that thing has way more metal, plastic, power electronics, and semiconductors in it than an Xperia phone.
I can afford their products, I bought the Xperia Z3 when it first came out for $700. I also bought the XZ for $700 too. I sold my XZ for a $50 loss and kept using my Z3 because I did not see it worth for $700. Sony does not put any special technology in its phones other than its image sensors and slightly brighter screens which should not make the phones cost more than $550-600. I'm an engineering student studying semiconductor materials in VLSI and chip packaging/mounting technologies and I've designed my own smartphones using development kits with Snapdragon 820, 3200mAh battey and 1440p AMOLED screen for just $400. I take apart Sony phones and replace screens and lots of components and reverse engineer them. Heck, that shit is NOT WORTH $700. $800 is just digging a grave. All Xperia (including Z3 and XZ which I took apart) phones use plastic brackets inside with a very simple internal layout. A single flex cable running under the battery connects the power button, vibration motor, bottom speaker, and wifi/bluetooth/gps/cellular antenna. Above that is the battery and above that is the motherboard. The battery costs maximum $10. The PCB on the motherboard is also max $10 and the CPU + 16/64gb NAND + 3GB RAM are only $60. The rubber waterproofing seal with waterproofing glue is max $5. The aluminum and nylon used to make the shell housing are max $20 and screen is max $50 including glass and touch layer. The total bill of materials of all components of the Z3/XZ are both only around $220-250. Adding shipping, R&D, and box contents (manual, headphones), the phone totals out to maximum $300 of expenditures per phone. Even if Sony sold them at $500, they would make a big profit but more people would buy their phones. I find it absolutely ridiculous how they price generic hardware for quadruple of its production value.
A hater for liars, 28 Jul 2017What note 8? You meant s8+ plus the pen and smaller battery that will only slap things already... morei mean i dont want a new design from sony though its kind of long overdue now especially with everyone moving towards bezeless trend sony needs a new design and something new to wow everyone like they kind of did with the XZP but missed the opportunity of design change.
as a sony fan their product naming is definitely beyond st*pid. They need to fix that.
also here is me hoping the new xz1 will have an interesting design change. But the XZP kind of brought all the guns that sony had. and many say the 4k hdr screen looks more stunning than the galaxy s8 which has crappy pentile arrangment
Bebe Rexha, 28 Jul 2017XZ1 is the successor first to the XZ, just like how the XA1 succeeded the XA - that's how Sony... moreThere there there Sony can't do any wrong right? Ask anyone on the streets does it make sense for the second generation to be named XZ1 and XA1? We are just saying Sony can do better with their naming and allow the market (which is us) to understand their product range better. And here you go all guns blazing. Are you from the Sony marketing department? If so, please take some of the honest opinions here into consideration.
vrvly, 27 Jul 2017FHD screen... so no VR fun?Not required anymore.
Look up htcLink VR....its Sonys VR tech inside.
Anonymous, 28 Jul 2017LOL. successor with the same features. best joke ever.
will be beaten by note 8 for sure. eve... moreWhat note 8? You meant s8+ plus the pen and smaller battery that will only slap things already on the market like dual camera and not so optimized software for 18,5:9 screen?
The 4K screened Sony has beaten the S8 duo because the software isn't yet to be fully optimized for that new ratio in diamond pentile 3K samoled
Imagine what a 2K FHD will be?
And should I mention the XZC?
Anonymous, 28 Jul 2017LOL. successor with the same features. best joke ever. will be beaten by note 8 for sure. eve... moreReally?,so tell me how s8 is slower, and being beat up by xzs with just sd820?,
sony fanboys should stop defending sony at every chance they can get. IFA 2017 should be sony putting in drastic changes in design especially not that the big players will move into the bezeless trend the sony will look outdated no matter how good the specs are.
even the ugly pixel now is getting new design change into something that looks good.
Sony needs to deal with the bezels and maintain the front facing speakers.
Anonymous, 28 Jul 2017After reading all your posts, i suggest you to stop defending this Plastic Brand with its terr... moreI pity for people like you who just believe in whatever company says that using a little piece plastic is not premium and won't justify the price it is asking.
Man, you pay for smart and practical (absorbing drop impacts, receive better signal) design not just beauty and that's more important!
You are hating plastic antena line ripped off design, influenced by the iPhone yet you don't appreciate one's effort to apply it using their own precision design that could differentiate it from the crowd. What do you want?
You are hating bezells for clear dual stereo speakers yet you complain when there's no bezel, smartphone design will be similarly characterless rectangular( like aquos and mi mix, g6 and flat s8 active, essential and the new render sharp's ) and still you put it in a case to avoid damage when it drops. After all what you will hold and what people see things you are holding is you phone case (whether plastic or rubber) so?
Yes I don't deny new design is always appreciated but before the hardware is ready, I choose not to compromise with the quality