i think you've forgotten the K320 and K510 which were now sold at price equal or lesserthan 2630. SE T250 holds the low end segment and for sure the price is lower because of the omited bluetooth and lesser memory. while 2630 have both but definitely losses to K320 and K510 spec wise. that may be a better comparison other than frustrating the cheaper T250
Just funny and silly the discussions here!
It is not about brands, it is also not about who is growing faster! And for sure it is not about who is making the most money!
Quality is important - a word most people do not care about at all anymore!
I am surely not an SE fan, I am not a nokia freak either! I love the rexeption and audio quality on my K800i. I adore the possibilities of Symbian OS - how ever, the devices we discuss here are S40 devices and therefore not really Smartfones anyway!
I made my experiences with NOKIA phones here in my area! I have a low network coverage with only 2 bars to no bars. My SE has no problems picking up the signal and having still a very good audio quality! All Nokia's I tried lost the network even through a call!!! You can believe me when I say: I tried them all! My eBay account during the past 3 years can tell you a story about how many NOKIA's I bought - from low-end to high!
This should be the main thing on a phone: to be able to make a phone call!
I haven't had any of those new low-end NOKIA's and my experiences tell me to stay away from them!
Just to come back shortly to the market discussion: Nokia gets supported by almost every NETWORK PROVIDER world wide! SE and other brands are almost not even available here in the US. You might want to think about this for a second before you are so proud of NOKI selling the most phones ...
you are typical SE fan, what more to say...
nokia share IS growing no matter do you or your neighbours agree or not. SE is growing too, but Nokia is faster (check 1st quarter financial results).
SE budget phones are cool? oh ok, don't you think Nokia 2630 (9,9 mm thin, 85 euro price) is *quite* better than SE T250 which is thicker and more expensive, while features are similar?
With its recent announcement SE has shown that they can't compete with Nokia in this segment, 2630 IS far more successful than T250 :)
STOP THIS FIGHTING!!!
This reader comment is for Low-end Nokia handsets on the way topic!
Not for fighting whose is the best brand & mobile phone they manufacture!
Yes, Nokia is in top of the market & best seller in most country (& my country). In the past & even until now every person I have met with phone in they hand is almost Nokia phone. Maybe the reason Nokia is sold in higher price is because most of them are smart phone! They have OS in them, yes is Symbian OS! Because they have an OS, they can be install many applications & many function that not available in the default one like MP3 player & Video player! Is that AMAZING?!! (for me is not “to” amazing) And then more years has pass, more and more other phone brand seen every ware, more, more & more of it were Sony Ericsson other is Samsung & Motorola. But now in my neighborhood most of the people use Sony Ericsson phone & most of them are EX-Nokia phone holder! The reason they move to Sony Ericsson Phone is because they complaining about battery live, viruses (because of the OS), high price & some of them (not all of them) say Nokia lost it touch with it design! The weird design & relative big to other brand. But why most people still buys Nokia??? Maybe because Nokia is the first (to hear by them) cell phone brand in the world & heaven (not hell) yeah, the world's largest manufacturer of mobile telephones with a global market share of approximately 36% in Q1 of 2007!
SO TO ALL WHO THINK AND “MAD” ABOUT SONY ERICSSON PHONE IS THE OVERALL BEST BESIDE THIS NOKIA HANDSETS GO TO ANOTHER READER COMMENT AND YOU CAN SAY (or more specific is TYPE) ANYTHING YOU WANT ABOUT THIS HANDSETS IS SOOOOO LAME AGAINST SONY ERICSSON BUDGET PHONE!!! (and uh…take me with you to another reader comment please, I’m SE Fan to!)
albert, I've got a N73 Music Edition and it's the best phone I've ever seen. About the speakers, ever tried to switch to mono-output?
yes, nokia is smart. they know how to find new product which fit to customers need. they also have the best interface, user friendly. in my country, nokia so far is on the top for a long time. but somehow i clearly dont understand about that. they sell very expensive phone which with same money, we cant get another phone with better specs than nokia. but people here are blind because nokia's have a good brand emotion. im not nokia fan, or other phone fan. but for me, its just hard for me to choose nokia phone, because for me, phone is not just for sms and calling. its also about style and fun with reasonable price. other brand clearly better than nokia for my need....
Just look at n73 music edition, what a crap speaker, hurt my ear...high end phone but with low end specs...no way.....
"i buy phone with my brain, not with blind fanatics with some brand"
why don't you compare it with W580? 99x47x14 afaik time release makes sense W850 is released earlier and the N95's predeccessor N93 is almost twice as large as the W850. and also i think N95 is the only featurepacked slim phone in nokia's lineup while SE, samsung has lots of them, although they are not as featurepacked as it but as a standalone featured, they are much better imho.
you said: "then why samsung can make phone with better features (3 megapixel camera) 5,9 mm thin
(U100) with lower price than SE W880i?"
3mp camera and you consider it better than w880? w880 has 3g, 2cameras and memory card slot,
QVGA screen and the u100's advantage is only a 3mp camera so u100 is better than everything in w880?
"Oh, and why SE budget phones j100, j200, k200 etc are so thick while nokia, motorola,
samsung make slim budget phones?"
16.7mm is too thick? oh so nokia's earlier than 2630 low end models are thinner than this one what phone dude? motorola and samsung has it, it's true but AFAIK, nokia and SE has not yet touched that before they did it this year while the other two has been competing already for almost 2 years or more.
Viipottaja you are absolutely correct. Volumes. I have had Nokia for over 10 years and the more basic style sells namely because of price and simplicity. To show off with cameras, videos, huge battery eating displays, etc., that makes sense if you have nothing else to do with your money and want to have your friends go oooooh ahhhhh.....
Steve: So you say Nokia cares about making money and not keeping up with other companies? I guess you are correct.. only the n95 should sell outside of third world countries..just a thought.. nokia could make payphones in countries with no signal reception...The fact is that NOKIA has lost the original designs, the technological leaps and has become sloppy when releasing phones. And this is how empires fall apart...If it was market segments they wanted to hit..a different brand name would be a good way to go about it...(BMW-Mini) (Mercedes-Smart) As I once only purchased Nokia's I have not for the last 6 years...(top of the range phones and lower end phones --always buy 2)
SeF, then why samsung can make phone with better features (3 megapixel camera) 5,9 mm thin (U100) with lower price than SE W880i?
Why Nokia made N95 with highest functionality with just 99x53x21 mm dimentions, and SE slider w850 with poor screen, camera, etc has same dimentions? Why SE didn't make w850 thinner, lighter to reduce production cost?
Oh, and why SE budget phones j100, j200, k200 etc are so thick while nokia, motorola, samsung make slim budget phones?
with your post i can say, with regards to the size stuff, yes. but i'm not into the features dude. nokia has been an experiemntal company all these years so will it harm nokia if they could make it thinner? and please dont include the features as i say i'm not pointing that. why does people pushes that issue? again what my point is that SE can make a 9.4mm phone with more features why nokia had only made it into 9.9mm with not-so much features. with those specs from nokia i think they could already make a 6.9mm phone like the X820 samsung does. they could even save more production cost because of the reduced size.
now is it hard to understand?
SeF, do you think cheap budget phone must be the thinnest? with high features? Then it won't be budget phone, right?
nokia cant produce good phones? What about the N95 can you find some feature that can compare to that phone? Come on.
Don call these phones junks,they have 2 manage different segments of customer(give up thinking like a,on top of the food chain stuff !!!)with less financial ability,ma points r these *nokias r the best*slim phones r gonna rock*more low end phones*go get a mp3 if u need 1.@best wishes
Guys,first of all tell me that who has the better user interface!!!As far as i am concerned,i don need a cam n mp3 player in ma cell phone(what do ya want,a washing machine on ur fon!)Guys im a lil confused caz none of u really mentioned that why does nokia have 2 release so many models?(confused)earlier some1 compared a nokia with a high end SE(i get the point,thats about the shape n slimness)
A couple of points just for discussion:
1) Do you know which Nokia has been its top seller in SWEDEN (i.e. a highely developed market)? The 1100. Enough said.
2) Low end rules in volumes, and because Nokia has by far the highest margins in _low end phones_ (reportedly abou 11-14% compared to e.g. Moto's 2-4%), Nokia rules the market in general and in low end in particular. Nokia's superior logistics, cost control etc. have just blown the competition out of the water. Not to say competition isn't getting tougher - but with these solid new models Nokia seems to be determined to keep ahead.
3) If you are into thin phones (I personally am not, and think that 6300 is about the thinnest I would go), 2630 should be a sign of things to come. With one such thin phone out it should relatively easy for Nokia to churn out similar with higher specs (but of course a bit worse battery life).
NOKIA is on top of the market because of they flood the market with hundreds and hundreds of 'unfinished' phones! As long as you live in a big city and worki in an office with closed windows and no noises - ... you might be happy with a NOKIA! Netherless network reception and audio quality is really a shame in the higher priced NOKIAs - how much less would someone expect in a Euro 35,- phone? And who needs a featureless phone in this days anyway? Looks to me like NOKIA couldn't do it right on the HIGH-END, so, now they try it on the LOW-END and fool the people who can't effort a better phone!
in terms of what you get for the dollar you pay, Sonyericsson will be on top of the list without any doubt. the reason why Nokia could lead the market by swapping their cover, naming it with a different code, is due to the sole reason that they knows how to use marketing strategies effectivelly. This goes back to the Nokia 6100 7210 etc... the features are 90% identical, but with a differ housing. miss the good old days, like when the 8310's white light that would attract many's attention.
To the jamaican: are u blind? try working in a phone shop where everyday someone has a rant about how their n-series phone is slow, or buggy, or freezes, or shuts itself down. im sorry but nokia are great, as long as ur not talking about the n-series.
personally i have an n95 now, and i must admit so far its shown none of the software problems the previous models have had, if nokia can keep that up, then you can start boasting again.