Droid_master, 11 Jul 2013Its good that mobile processors are advancing so rapidly, but I thinks that manufactures alway... moreexactly!... especially for some of us with metal or aluminum phones...my phone practically turns into an iron whenever I browse with 3g for long..benchmarks and processor speeds are just bragging rights...as long as the phone isn't laggin, 2.3ghz is more than enough.
Anonymous, 11 Jul 2013Not until the battery would last days to a week even after non-stop usage will I be impressed ... moreBut getting 6-10hours of constant usage with HD and FHD displays and 1.5-2GHz Dual and quad core CPU's and power house GPU's is not such a bad feet.
Not until the battery would last days to a week even after non-stop usage will I be impressed of these processors with very high frequency. It just defeats the purpose of the device being "MOBILE" if we have to plug in to charge often. Sure this processors can make phones capable of even more complex processes/jobs but it can't endure for long.
Its good that mobile processors are advancing so rapidly, but I thinks that manufactures always seem to over look over heating issues.. especially when any form of ventilation is blocked by our hands
silentassasin, 10 Jul 2013intel wil produce a processor at 2ghz but achieve a same or better performance than the 3ghz A... moreThey are no where near that much better. And A-15 is already making similar score clocked .4ghz lower.
Jack Package, 10 Jul 2013What are you talking about. This isn't a full blown x86 architecture we're talking about. This... moreWhat you don't understand or fail to acknowledge about the "old" reference I provided is that the test was comparing the latest technology at that time. The latest ARM chip solution was compared to the latest Atom chip solution. To be sure, Intel will see big performance improvements by going from 32nm to 22, however ARM has been at 28 for some time now and is making the move to 20 as pointed out in the article. As much as Intel has advanced their SoC technology in going to 22nm, it appears you'd have people believe that ARM has been sitting back doing nothing, when the 20nm chip is coming with the A15.
Further, if you want to believe that the Intel chip achieved the Antutu results by running at 1.1Ghz the entire time, I've got some really nice land to sell you. If the Intel chip performs so well at 1.1Ghz, why make them capable of 2.x Ghz speeds, why not clock it even lower? You know the answer.
Your reasoning defies logic, as you are willing to believe an article that provides no references or links of where the unofficial benchmarks results came. The link you provide as your 'proof' comes from an investment journal by someone (Steve Heller) who owns shares of Google and Intel. I point this out because wanting to believe something on rumor or unverified sources is the telltale sign of a fanboy, is it appears you prefer to rely on unverifiable sources as opposed to verifiable ones.
As for your reference to the Razr i or the LG K900 as another case in point (don't know where you found an LG K900, but there is the Lenovo K900 with the Atom). As one of the more recent phones available with Atom, the Razr i "failed miserably" and is beaten on almost every test by a number of Krait and ARM 9 phones:
So again we have latest ARM vs. latest Intel and the results aren't in Intel's favor.
You'll believe a story that has fantastic benchmark results which can't be verified about a chip that isn't available when benchmarks from less than a year ago demonstrated that Intel's latest 32nm chip couldn't even outperform a 45nm Apple A5 using Cortex-A9.
"Baytrail is a mobile computing chipset, designed for mobile phones and tablet".
Ummm, no, Bay Trail is being used on Intel's Celeron and Pentium PC and notebook lines as well. Atom is the brand, Bay Trail is the family.
You know what, forget it. It's clear that you're emotionally invested and no amount of information will change your mind. Hopefully, if anything, the readers here see the mindset of a fanboy.
Anonymous, 10 Jul 2013A phone can't ever be a PC! i believe that to be true as well.
but try doing "real work" like working on pivot tables from a spreadsheet on a mobile phone.
tablets - maybe. but definitely not phones.
z, 10 Jul 2013it's outdated by the time it released hahaactually, all processors on the market are "outdated". by the time processors get to the consumer level production, the foundries are already experimenting with next generation prototypes.
intel wil produce a processor at 2ghz but achieve a same or better performance than the 3ghz ARM .intel has simply the best per core performance and their baytrail chip had already destroyed qualcomm snapdragon 800
waste of time.....on technolgy right now leave it stagnant for a bit and focus on HUMAN ISSUE...like our corrupted governments,banks,medical..etc....phones specs are nothing these days...since it's more then specs....it's security and privacy
Jack Package, 10 Jul 2013I beg to differ. The 'common practice' for the manufacturer is to test the 'half baked' produc... moreAbsolutely it is not Alice. I know from first hand experience and have already told you why it is done. The fact is you don't have a clue how it's done and by your comment deny it is done.
Secondly, you are proven wrong about your Antutu opinion. Funny how you just skipped over that.
Thirdly, Atom was originally developed with the full x86 instruction set. Through at least 2010 all Atom chips were still supporting the full instruction set. So given your track record you want people to believe you? Ha.
Rad-K, 10 Jul 2013Will they release phones with Windows PC version (9 or 10 or what it'll be then)? Why not, at ... moreWhile it certainly is possible in paper, there are some practical difficulties. For eg:windows PC OS is designed for X64 or X86 processors, which are CISC based. The point is that these CPUs need a lot of power and heats up too much necessitating a dedicated cooling system. If you want windows PC OS in a mobile, the following ways are possible.
1) a very power efficient cpu like atom running a minimal version of such windows
2)X86 or X64 cpus running on such low power consumption that eliminates need for a cooling system
3)windows pc os rewritten from scrap to run on ARM chips with a capability to simulate X86 applications on ARM CPUs.
Jack Package, 10 Jul 2013I beg to differ. The 'common practice' for the manufacturer is to test the 'half baked' produc... morenot a clue who you are but when it comes to technicalitys i certainly wouldnt argue with you - you lost me from the first sentence onwards. fair play you know your stuff... or appear to at least
Riker, 10 Jul 2013Antutu is a test package that anyone can purchase from Antutu, run the tests themselves, and p... moreI beg to differ. The 'common practice' for the manufacturer is to test the 'half baked' product with Antutu/other. Then as the glitches are ironed out and the products are rolled out the results could be much higher.
And I'm sorry 'manipulate' the environment? How? by overclocking and running the benchmark on a stripped down OS? We already know the clockspeed it's at 1.1Ghz so there's no overclocking. We also know that the OS used is 4.2.2, the same with nexuses and S4/One Google edition, so what environment are they manipulating? And if there are, can a Snapdragon 800 device get the same result with only 1.1Ghz provided they are 'manipulated'?
You need to realise the fact of the matter. The Medfield you see on RAZRi is a 2Ghz single core Saltwell at 32nm die, this Baytrail is a 1.1Ghz(up to 2.1Ghz) quad core Silvermontat 22nm die, miles ahead.
cris, 10 Jul 2013so.. everybody's a computer genius now. everybody seems to know everything already..Yes it appears true. Jajaja
so.. everybody's a computer genius now. everybody seems to know everything already..
Jack Package, 10 Jul 2013I'm sorry but Antutu IS a third party benchmark test and has its own database so it's not like... moreAntutu is a test package that anyone can purchase from Antutu, run the tests themselves, and publish the results. Only certified results get loaded into the Antutu database and is offered as a service because as mentioned vendors will and do manipulate the test environment so that their results come out more favorably.