LaxG, 10 Dec 2013In a perfect world, you can trust your neighbour, the police, the politicians, but this isn't ... moreAs fun as this back and forth was...I'm now bored with this topic.
As for reality...there is no such thing as 1 reality. I live in mine and you live in yours. That's why there is such a things as a caste system in many cultures.
The rich and poor live in different circles and have different experiences. Same with the paranoids and free-spirited/waywards/don't carers and so on.
J2Evil, 10 Dec 2013Again...can't be blackmailed if you are a law abiding citizen. What are they gonna blackmail y... moreimmature thought, first of all can I ask you, had you had booze before, if you had don't don't try to speak anymore.
In a perfect world, you can trust your neighbour, the police, the politicians, but this isn't one... In a perfect world, there is no need for police, NSA, and stuff like that. People lock the door when is going out - and this for a reason. It's not about (my) paranoia. It's about being realistic. I personally don't live in fear, but as much as I close my door when I leave home, as much as I use passwords and codes, I take care of my privacy. Privacy is not the right to do evil in disguise. Privacy means that you wear pants and mind your business, and nobody HAVE THE RIGHT to interfere as long as you do no harm to anyone. "Using clouds" means the oposite of "hide your personal life". EVERYTHING you do in the cloud, is basicaly public. What e.g. Google wants, meaning to give them your address, credit card information, storing the pictures with your wife and kids in the cloud, posting the whole list of friends and their contact info - is somehow similar with printing these things on posters and sticking them on walls downtown. I, for my self, I made my choice. I don't give voluntarily my life for free to strangers - but there is a place in this world even for those who want to walk in public without clothes.
LaxG, 10 Dec 2013Here we go again... Only black and white, isn't it? :) One day you'll understand. Nobody's per... moreFor me it's black and white. And I am NO saint, but I'm not ashamed of anything I've done and have NOTHING to hide. So yes, I believe that I am not "blackmailable".
And in living in a state of absolute paranoia is what you call the real world, then I'll take the clouds for $1000.
J2Evil, 10 Dec 2013Again...can't be blackmailed if you are a law abiding citizen. What are they gonna blackmail y... moreHere we go again... Only black and white, isn't it? :) One day you'll understand. Nobody's perfect. Everybody has something to hide, maybe something embarrassing, not necessarily illegal. Not even a saint is unblackmailable! This is why those guys are storing every bit of information about everybody. One never knows! :)
Better give up the clouds, live in real life as much as possible. At least you make this way those guys' life harder! LOL
LaxG, 10 Dec 2013I gues this is not this simple... There are many possible scenarios. Maybe you are a law abidi... moreAgain...can't be blackmailed if you are a law abiding citizen. What are they gonna blackmail you with? Your kid's soccer practice routine? Your wife's credit card bill?
This isn't Will Smith in "Enemy of the State" my friend. This is the real world.
It seems NOWHERE is safe from the Spymasters:
Does anyone else here sees the hypocrisy going on?! all the big companies who collect data on everyone, don't want the big bad government to collect data on everyone?!
Anonymous, 09 Dec 2013LOL at this, all these companies have been passing consumer information to the government FOR ... morethey have been forced to provide the information
hence they are pushing to open this issue and make laws so people know whats going on
atm moment the government is operating with out law to limit the information they can collect
I gues this is not this simple... There are many possible scenarios. Maybe you are a law abiding citizen, but they are not completely honest and want to build a perfect dictature. Or maybe they want something illegal from our "law abiding citizen" and begin to blackmail him with facts from his children's/wife's personal life or what not. It's never black or white, there are almost always just tones of grey. Give power to the people (or companies) and JUST WATCH what they are doing with it. I wish it would be that simple, to just be law abiding citizens and everything to just go nicely for us!
I'm all for privacy but if the US government (a country I don't live in, I'm in the UK) want to waste tax dollars paying a technician to go through my dreary internet activity instead of feeding and clothing the homeless and destitute that's their decision.
I might start googling suspect phrases like "inspirational Koran passages" "how to make an explosive device" and "assasinations for beginners" just to make that poor technician feel like he's getting somewhere.
On a serious note these companies have been collecting data about us for years but it's nothing we haven't put online ourselves, if we have been careful with what we upload and share on Facebook etc there is very little to worry about.
Anonymous, 09 Dec 2013@ J2Evil
Nothing to worry about? Really?
Let's say that you are an honest, upright citizen... moreThat's right...Let them watch me. I don't mind. They'll be so bored watching me going back and forth from home to work and back again.
I repeat...law abiding citizen, nothing to worry about. To me it's the same as being stopped and frisked when passing through unsavory neighborhoods. I didn't do anything wrong, so let the cops check and see that I have nothing to hide. Getting upset and acting suspicious equals detention and beat downs.
Other countries are not as aggressive and complete as US, when it comes to collecting data. They should focus on US first.
J2Evil, 09 Dec 2013Agree with u 100%...nothing illegal, nothing to worry about.@ J2Evil
Nothing to worry about? Really?
Let's say that you are an honest, upright citizen who has never even had a parking ticket in your life. Then you send a message to a work colleague. That colleague has been flagged by the NSA as a suspected terrorist. The spyware (KNOX) on his phone tells the NSA that you are in contact with him. You are now on their watchlist as an associate of a suspected terrorist,
Nothing to worry about? Honest?
And this is why American companies don't like blackberry. It is too secure for them.