MdN8, 07 Nov 2013The same happened with Symbian, there was nothing wrong about it except bad publicity and poor... moreThere was a lot wrong with Symbian, especially with it's outdated UI. The underlying OS was great but it had so many issues it just wasn't funny any more. Of course the reason for that were Nokia's inept development processes and not the OS itself but that doesn't change the fact that Symbian had required too much work to bring it up to standard.
Anonymous, 07 Nov 2013non-removable battery? no, thank you. everyone knows that blackberry phones are battery hog.... moreclearly you havent given it a try. it doesnt need a removeable battery, it can last more than a day on a single charge with heavy usage. go try it before you judge
Mr. Cuddles, 07 Nov 2013Nope, what they have to do is abandon the BB10 os and switch to android.That's not a good suggestion by any standard. But, of course, you're entitle to your opinion.
Well the thing about sound quality going down when connect to headphones doesn't surprise me a bit. I use a playbook and a Xperia Arc with 2012 walkman and sound enhancements app and using loudspeakers, they playbook is quite good but with headphones it is far inferior to Sony. And sometimes the jack simply doesn't connect properly.
In general I like this phone contrary to popular believe I think it has a faster learning curve than you could expect,simply let yourself go and be open. Bought my playbook because I loved the gestures and I have to admit when using I android I try to swipe to go back but when I use the playbook I never looked for back or home button.
Why I will not buy the Z30?
Simply because I value camera too much and this one is good but not really worth improving from my Arc....
Then there are the apps, not sure if it already has skype but my playbook almost went to the garbage bin when I found out it had no skype and no BBM....
And of course I am a bit mad at BlackBerry for not giving me bb10 on playbook because i bought it to experience bb10 and evaluate if I would move away from Android as I wasn't particularly happy with android back then (now I am).
Finally there is the price. Too expensive for me.
wp8lover, 07 Nov 2013What Blackberry need is low cost game changer to promote their own ecosystem, not a flagship l... moreI agree bb need to release sub $100-200 phone with bb10.2 OS to succeed.
Though I know it's impossible, cause bb will always want to be looked as premium phone company. Their pride is in the way.
non-removable battery? no, thank you.
everyone knows that blackberry phones are battery hog. so it's a disadvantage.
Mr. Cuddles, 07 Nov 2013Nope, what they have to do is abandon the BB10 os and switch to android.If you read the review, you will see it can already run Android apps upto jelly bean. Also android space is already too crowded as it is and fiercely competitive. Barring Samsung and Sony, even known android manufactures like HTC, Moto, LG, etc aren't able to meet their sales targets due to this competition.
Furthermore, Blackberry OS has image of being secure (if its really secure over android or not is debatable) but still they have this thing going for them. They might as well capitalize on it instead of just giving it away. Having their own OS over using someone else(s) also give them App Store and ads $$$.
[deleted post]It is true that BB is a business phone all because of their Blackberry Enterprise Service (BES). This is equivalent of ActiveSync for both iPhone and Android but ActiveSync is way below the performance as compared to BES. I know because I'm a helpdesk analyst and I am trained for both BES and ActiveSync setup and how tos. I supported a lot of US corporate business setting up their corporate emails to their iPhone, Android phones and BBs. And I can say that in terms of push email, BB is the best. I use both BB and Android phone but BB is real time when it comes to push email. This is just both my personal and professional experience.
What Blackberry need is low cost game changer to promote their own ecosystem, not a flagship like this one or Z10. They will only continue to burn money this way.
Since its obvious BB OS 10.2 doesn't require ground breaking hardware to run smoothly, they could have created a phones in sub $100 and $250 category (off contract) with good specs similar to lumia 520/720. Agreed it might not be very profitable this way, but this is the only way to reach the masses and establish their market/ecosystem. Only once they do it they can hope to sell flagships in numbers. As of now, very few people are going to spend north of $500-600 on something whose future is not certain even though if the product is good.
Nice review GSMarena. Whoever did bulk of the commentary and final edit, great job.
Alex, 07 Nov 2013I've been using iPhone 4 yrs now, had the 3G then 3GS 4 4S and for about a year the 5 I'm just... moreANDROID IS TOO UNSTABLE? ARE YOU LIVING IN 2011? Ive been doing transactions on both my iphone 5 and GS4 and both are equally smooth with no hurr durr identity theft/hax.
Clearly, youre the type of person who likes to ride on old reputations, ie; blackberry being a "business" phone and android being "unstable".
[deleted post]I've been using iPhone 4 yrs now, had the 3G then 3GS 4 4S and for about a year the 5 I'm just bored with the same OS
As you can see I had couple of iPhones and I pretty much know everything about them ;)
I have my MacBook Pro and very happy with it.
But the OS 10 from Berry looks very good and the Hub is perfect for me.
Android is too unstable.
Is like having a Ferrari and drive only in city limits :)))
Blackberry needs a marketing guru and more ads.
Both Z10 and Z30 are very good phones for what they are made for,business,messaging,email and some fun.
In that order :)
I will buy one!
I like being against odds and we should do this!!!
Jack, 07 Nov 2013So what about benchmarks. They are for inefficient Android OS that needs power just to manage... moreFor me benchmarks are good for comparing devices between them , if bb os is so good and and smooth and lla that it should provide some good numbers against the "inefficient Android OS" running devices and i advise you get hold on a note 3 (almost the same price) and you will have a good idea of what productive and efficient is and that is something bb os will never achieve cause they lack the know-how.I do have to agree with you that 10.2 is really easy to learn cause it's very simple and lacks features.You might compare this to note 2 or htc one productivity wise but you cannot compare with htc one design wise,finally Z30 would make up for a decent mid ranged with a flagship price and that is the reason why bb will keep falling and you have to admit that competition and benchmarks and all that allow us (buyers) to compare and choose better on what to give 500+ euro's and to be honest since bb is so on the edge that should have compelled them to produce something amazing but all they did turn out to be aligned with the rest of the pathetic bb os running devices(please get your fact's correctly about "small inconsequential incremental spec differences " and check out bb devices from 2011 to 2013).
Anonymous, 07 Nov 20131. No benchmarks - you could I suppose sideload Antutu or something but if it didn't instantly... morego on crackberry and ask someone who knows an employee to sell it to you for employee pricing ($100).
by the way, android 4.2.2 runtime rocks
just opened the review because the Mercedes petronas team was on the pic
Jack, 07 Nov 2013So what about benchmarks. They are for inefficient Android OS that needs power just to manage... moreYou make Android sound so unusable and superficial. I'm just a regular guy, I use my phone for photos, web browsing, GPS, email, texting/talking/IM, and as an ereader. I do my banking and shopping on my phone and in the 4 years I've been using Android I've never had my identity stolen or gotten a virus. I have an iPod Touch and used Symbian (proud owner of an e63) prior to Android, and using Android has been a pleasure, not a chore. I assume the majority of Android users are like me. Government agents and corporate execs are another story, but those of us less important aren't getting our credit cards hijacked on a regular basis. As for the specs race, the reviewer alluded to it. Many Android users are gamers, and many games require high end hardware, just like a computer. Don't let a review or an OS upset you so much. I'm an Android loyalist, but came here looking for good tidings from BB camp. Celebrate variety.
Anonymous, 07 Nov 2013Cmon guys have mercy and buy bb phonesSure, if they could offer a decent and up to date resolution. Its very annoying to think of the fact that by going AMOLED they made the phone more expensive and at the same time giving it an unsatisfactory resolution, that's a double loss.
And their maps need some serious fixing as well, in many areas where I frequently go the BB maps are as bad as Nokia maps, and trust me, Nokia maps are really bad here (Nokia maps are bad everywhere except big urban areas). I heard BB maps is so bad that in India BB phones are sold with a 3rd party app for an Indian mapping company.
MdN8, 07 Nov 2013The same happened with Symbian, there was nothing wrong about it except bad publicity and poor... moreI have to disagree on that, Symbian had two serious shortcomings that could not be fixed, namely resolution of maximum 640x640 and dependency an ARMv6 processor architecture. Sony Ericsson made Symbian phones with ARMv7 but for Nokia to do that they would have sacrificed app compatibility, that was simply not an option, they would have to reinvent and reintroduce Symbian to overcome such a problem, and if we are perfectly honest we have to admit that Symbian wasn't worth that.
And in any case, Maemo5 was the OS Nokia should have focused on.