Anonymous, 19 Apr 2016Recent tests? What recent tests? Is it too much to ask to provide the links to back up your ... moreOf course I can provide links, got video evidence too. But can you read Chinese? If you insist, here they are:
Evidence 1 comparing Mi5 (Snapdragon 820) and Mate 8 (Kirin 950), Mi 5 has vastly superior GPU benchmark scores but falls behind Mate 8 in actual gameplay. Game used are NBA2k16, Implosion, and Riptide GP2.
Evidence 2 and 3 comparing Galaxy S7Edge (Korean version, Exynos 8890), Mi5, and Mate 8. Again the Exynos 8890 showed very unstable framerates and falls behind the Mate 8 in various games (NBA2K15/NBA2K16/Riptide GP2/Real Racing3). Analysis showed that the 8890's CPU cores heat up too fast, forcing both the CPU and GPU cores to significantly underclock during sustained high-load situation. The reason it managed to get very high scores in benchmark is because benchmark only stresses the CPU or the GPU at one time (giving it more "heat quota" to run at full speed), but never stress both at the same time. They also only run for a short amount of time. In actual games the play time is much longer, and more importantly, both the GPU and CPU are stressed at the same time. Under this situation the "heat quota" of the 8890 depleted very quickly. The resulting throttling caused it to perform worse than a supposedly "lower-spec" SoC (the Kirin 950).
Also, this was not due to the difference in screen resolution between Mate 8 and the other 2 phones. The comparisons are made with normalized resolution. (Fun fact: many games don't actually run at 2K even if you play it on a phone with 2K screen, the list include NBA2k15, NBA2k16, and implosion)
Is that enough to show you how over-hyped the 820 and 8890 are spec-wise? And how ridiculous people whine about Huawei's GPU being shit just because it is 880MP4 not 880MP12? It is time to stop these marketing bullshit which 99% of the so called prosumers and reviewers are buying into (just like the megapixel war of cameras in the past). They are simply too lazy to analyze real-life gameplay performance. After all, it is so much easier to just run 3Dmark and a few other benchmarks, copy down the scores, and then call it a "performance review".
I'm sure many people still have doubts about the credibility of these analyses because it conflicts with their deep-rooted beliefs. Did the reviewer took Huawei's money and made stuff up? You may also think that I should not bring up Mate 8 when we're talking about P9 (although the P9's chip is basically the Mate 8's chip with a moderately higher clock). So let me present you evidence 4, a video of the P9 (3GB entry-level model) and S7Edge (Snapdragon 820 with 4GB ram) loading apps and running games side-by-side, done by a difference reviewer:
You can see the P9 getting 15% higher overall framerate then the S7 edge in the highly demanding NBA2k16 with all high settings. You can also see when the game is running S7Edge throttled the SoC to significantly lower frequencies than the P9, causing the low performance.
By the way both are retail version phones, P9 have been available for everyone to buy in China since a few days ago. Like I explained earlier, both games also ran at the same resolution. So "review sample may be better/worse than retail phones" or "Huawei took advantage of its lower resolution" were not valid excuses. The fact is simply that people have been fooled by Qualcomm and Sammy's benchmark oriented design and spec-hyping. Yes they are still powerful chips and yes they can still run all these games at high settings with (mostly) playable framerates. But to all those who believe that getting a 820 or 8890 phone will give you so much (if at all) better graphics performance/gaming experience than the Kirin 95x, I'm sorry to burst your bubble.
Anonymous, 19 Apr 2016Pointing out where you are wrong doesn't make me a troll. Live with it. See? That's the problem. I'm not wrong, I have my own opinion. Trolls can't seem to understand that. Grow up kid.
Anonymous, 19 Apr 2016Why is the performance a huge let down? It will be slightly better than the Mate-8 Kirin 950 ... moreso for you even a low grade chipset from MTK will do.Right? Dude p9 is priced and made to a flagship grade device but the only thing which is a huge let down on p9 is chipset and gpu with rather limited capabilites.
Arengium, 18 Apr 2016Hey Nishru I'm with you man. I don't know how this Parag guy's brain works, but I don't think ... moreWow thats good! You P9 fanboys want everyone to think that p9 is one of the best performing smartphone even though its far behind the compitition ignoring all the facts .then let me tell you not everyone is a fool to support what you think.Ofcource its a great device but the company did a bit of cost cutting in terms of performance.thats all.No one needs to be genius to understand that.
Anonymous, 19 Apr 2016who would be risky enough to overclock a new phone and without having any warranty? get the i... moreOk, i think you misunderstand me ... personally i don't care about benchmarks or high scores i just gave "PARAG B" an advice if he wants a high benchmark scores he can overclock the device that's all, also i am not fan of iphone or samsung i like huawei devices.
Anonymous, 19 Apr 2016What nonsense are you talking about. The P9 has far from stellar performance and the summary ... moreEhhh...another anonymous troll.
1. I've never said it's an all rounder. I mearly stated the fact, that its hardware is good enough to have a decent device experience.
2. It doesn't fail, graphically it performs as well as other flagships in a real life experience (but we all know you're after benchmark numbers). Just okay 1080p video and no 4K? And? Their focus was on photos, not video. They've made that clear since the announcement of collaboration with Leica.
3. Yeah...unlike Snapdragon and Exynos with Adreno, that's throttling after short stress use. I'll take Kirin, thank you.
4. Performance is relative (you want peak, I want sustained). Also...worth noting, that entry price of flagships is £100+ more than what Huawei is asking for. You want *bling*, I want value for money. We both win in our own way. Just because someone has different opinion, it doesn't mean its wrong. Get that through your thick skull, boy.
user.atef, 19 Apr 2016you can (overclock) a phone just search for it here is an example http://www.androidauthori... morewho would be risky enough to overclock a new phone and without having any warranty? get the iphone or samsung and be a fanboy with your fast benchmarks scores.
paulh67, 19 Apr 2016Anybody knows: does the p9 have wireless charging? Can't find it anywhere...no wireless charging on the P8 or removable battery is what i've read.
paulh67, 19 Apr 2016Anybody knows: does the p9 have wireless charging? Can't find it anywhere...No wireless charging and fast charge.
Winner or loser, 19 Apr 2016Unfortunately I haven't seen any iPhone, Samsung phones who can keep up with its first battery... moreFair enough. I guess I use my phones moderately with mostly communication apps and web browsing and maybe a hour of gaming but not every day.
Winner or loser, 19 Apr 2016Unfortunately I haven't seen any iPhone, Samsung phones who can keep up with its first battery... moreI also think phones should have replaceable batteries but thats not the direction the industry is moving
Anonymous, 19 Apr 2016I pretty much stopped reading what you said "after 1 year battery doesn't hold the charge any ... moreUnfortunately I haven't seen any iPhone, Samsung phones who can keep up with its first battery during a full 2 years of warranty without any charging problems. After 1 year, almost all of them give soul and doesn't hold the charge overnight. Of course if you don't use your phone heavily, it can go on for around 2 years (even I charge once a day, 2 years of battery life is too optimistic and never seen such long life yet). But typical smartphone user who use Facebook, Twitter (who charges overnight and in the midday) kills the battery typically around 1 year. So, after 1 year, you need to send your premium phone for battery replacement (with a PREMIUM cost!).
Unrepleceable batteries are THE UGLIEST FACE OF CAPITALISM. Don't tell me about IP68 etc. stuff, it is BS.
Ramouz, 16 Apr 2016Great camera shots. Yay we can see the grass blades! They kept noise reduction down unlike in ... moreIf someone was photo enthusiast I think this would be the phone to have if you don't want to carry your gear with you all the time. From the description, the software give the photographer a lot of manual mode options and filters to get quite creative.
It will be interesting to see what people are able to get out of it.
Anonymous, 19 Apr 2016Is it that difficult to provide the links?
Searching on Tom's Hardware for "Huawei P9" co... moreBoth sites which I have mentioned have reviews of Kirin 950
And Kirin 955 is a modified version of 950
So reviews of one would give an hint of how well other performs
Anonymous, 16 Apr 2016Good hardware, very good software but software is bad. It doesn't look like it is running Android 6.It is Marshmallow. Maybe you don't like the Huawei UI?