Anonymous, 26 Jun 2009Sammy copies too much. First OLED and wide lens from Nokia, and now 12MP from SE. It's startin... morei think many nokia fan has to get this clear.
NOKIA WASN'T THE FIRST TO INTRODUCE A FULL OLED SCREEN DEVICE. IT WAS SAMSUNG. IN FACT, SAMSUNG SUPPLY NOKIA WITH THE SCREEN. SAMSUNG STARTED THE TREND BY USING OLED SCREEN. NOW WAKE UP.
As to samsung copying SE to 12mpx. But it doesn't make sense, SE says that its Satio wasn't avail till end of this year. And all this while, SE only release the prototype for its Satio. Who knows samsung has been making this 12mpx phone a year ago, earlier than SE but they did not release it out until they could fully manufactured it and sell to the market unlike SE who only display its prototype but could not mass produced it. Thus its not fair to say Samsung copy SE when Samsung could get the 12mpx module first and mass produced it. Samsung could easily have a prototype of 24mpx but release it 2 years later, do you still consider as samsung being the first to produce 24mpx if in the meanwhile nokia releases before samsung?
well, no 16:9 resolution (isn't, just check out with some calculator, similar but isn't), just 3.1 inch screen... and only 2 pages preview... i never liked samsung, and this time i still disliking it.
i like the satio's screen size and resolution type, i prefer also LG or even motorola, but samsung isn't so good
Mustafa, 26 Jun 2009People are already saying this is better than the Satio and vice versa. Both have their streng... moreI don't like Satio's Lens cover design.
Its not leather cover friendly.
Pixon 12 auto lens cover is better.
LG insider, 26 Jun 2009LG Renoir HD spex:
- 12 Mega pixel camera with 3X optical zoom & 1cm macro.
- Full HD video ... morehey pal, where did you get this info?
If this is true, then LG Renoir HD will definitely be my next phone HA...
Anonymous, 26 Jun 2009I'm not talking about concepts and prototypes, but mass production. And you gotta agree about ... moreYou mean like Nokia N97 (cough** copying **cough) HTC or Sony Xperia slider QWERTY concept? or Nokia N73 (cough** copying **cough) SE K800 3.2mp camera concept? or ...etc .. want more?
If this is call "copying", then every brands are copying every brands pal. :)
A620 is better than 350D! Damn I hope is because of those cheap kit lenses.
strid, 26 Jun 2009in fact, the pixon12 doesn't win the A620. It wins it in terms of resolution but very marginal... morepixon12 beats the a620 in terms of natural color, the DSLR and the innov8 are the least sharped and as you can see there's a slightly lost details when the picture is too smooth but it performs good overall while the pixon12 had the most sharped picture that resulted in a few over detailed and made it look what i say pixelated. pixon12 wins the vibrant image, a620 wins the perfect sharp image, DSLR wins the focused image. their result varies in different places
I want a "Pixon12 VS Satio" from GSM Arena, but right now the most equilibred phone seems the OmniaHD
strid, 26 Jun 2009the pixon12 only wins the a620 very marginally. I'm not here to criticize pixon12 for your inf... more"if i were to throw in a prime lens like 50mm, the 350D is many strides ahead of pixon12"
Wow. If you take a $850 camera
and $80 lenses
It completely beats a phone's camera. You opened my eyes, friend. I will definitely be looking at this phone. Its the first phone which is compared directly to a DSLR, not all other phones.
in fact, the pixon12 doesn't win the A620. It wins it in terms of resolution but very marginally. In terms of others, the A620 steps ahead.
Anonymous, 26 Jun 2009"let me change something about what i said.
the pixon12 is indeed many times better than the ... morethe pixon12 only wins the a620 very marginally. I'm not here to criticize pixon12 for your info. I did say it was pretty impressive for a phone camera. But still, check again, the pixon12's images are definitely overprocessed. The A620 has less sharpening applied, resulting in a less-processed image. The pixon12 captures the same amount of detail as the 350D as the 350D was using a 18-200 lens. See that? 18-200 lenses are never famous for their image quality, but for convenient's sake instead. So, if i were to throw in a prime lens like 50mm, the 350D is many strides ahead of pixon12.
By the way, i am not talking about colour at all. All the images look good except that the innov8 has slightly lower contrast.
So buddy, check the images again, especially the close-up ones, since pixon12's images isn't really better than the A620's. It is slightly better than the innov8's but more image processing is done and that isn't too good.
Still, i must say the pixon12's image quality is rather impressive for a handphone camera. And i don't really talk about colour since there isn't a great difference between these 4 cameras in terms of colour.
strid, 26 Jun 2009let me change something about what i said.
the pixon12 is indeed many times better than the i... more"let me change something about what i said.
the pixon12 is indeed many times better than the innov8. I took a closer look and saw less noise and detail smearing, although oversharpening (makes it looks like pixelated) is extremely perceptible. Still, it is not as good as the A620. It is definitely far from the 350D (a good lens will further increase the great difference)."
you really need to check your eyes there buddy, while samsung pixon12 had some over sharpening but the color is more vivid and natural than the digital camera and the DSLR. so sorry but the samsung pixon12 beats the a620 hands down and is not far from the DSLR 350D it's a few merely away to match DSLR. visit an eye doctor
Anonymous, 26 Jun 2009Um.... Pixon 12's photos are... bad.somewhat. They are over processed (see those oversharpening?), and are only marginally better than innov8's. The 2 canons pawn the pixon12 by a lot but this is to be expected.
LG insider, 26 Jun 2009LG Renoir HD spex: - 12 Mega pixel camera with 3X optical zoom & 1cm macro. - Full HD video ... moreWe'll have to wait and see if your telling the truth. If you are then that is some mobile! And could persuade me to change my mind on what phone i'll be getting.
Samar INNOV8 user .., 26 Jun 2009I agree with what they said about Nokia's response to high end market... Earlier, I was Nokia'... more@ SamarINNOV8user
Finally, somebody who talks sense!
I'm sick to death of all these fanboys who are die-heard supporters of one particular brand. This is not football, its not motor racing, it's not even a sport, yet people blindly follow one particular "team" and treat people who don't share their opinion like the enemy. Why?
The sooner people wake up and realise that limiting themselves to only one manufacturer only achieves two things - 1) it deprives them of their basic human right of choice and 2) makes them look like closed-minded fools.
I too use the Innov8 after years of using phones from every major manufacturer out there, and I also work in the industry, and I can honestly say it's the best phone I've ever come across. I abandoned Nokia in the last 90s, soon after they began replacing their solid, durable user-friendly portfolio with plastic, fragile. buggy, uninspired tat, and am uber-impressed with the way Samsung are heading, but like you, would use another manufacturer in a heartbeat if the right phone came along.....
It's quite simple people, maybe theres a war going on with the manufacturers,but that shouldn't become a war between consumers, we should be rejoicing at the amount of choice we have, not squabbling about which is best. So please, either grow up, shut up, Or both!
A comparison with SE C905 would be nice since that is the 8mp photo king at the moment.
Anonymous, 26 Jun 2009I'm not talking about concepts and prototypes, but mass production. And you gotta agree about ... morehahahahaha.......
your claims of Nokia's OLED innovation will die after reading the news.
please now open your eyes and stop criticising Samsung unnecessarily.
Anonymous, 26 Jun 2009I'm not talking about concepts and prototypes, but mass production. And you gotta agree about ... moreExcuse me. If you dont't remember then please see Samsung S8300. It was released much before Nokia's OLED phone. So how can you say samsung copied this?
Also samsung didn't show Pixon in WMC Barcelona as they had a lot to show there already (Like Omnia HD, Beat, S8300). SE had no other major annoncement and just showed a phone that was very early in design stage.
Also why are you contradicting yourself. regards to LED you consider releasing as a measure of initiative and with 12MP you consider announcement :D.
I would love to see your other proofs.