nicksti, 08 Oct 2010Different can be good or bad. But look how many people have to thank Google for their success.... morenicksti, stop your trolling here. People like me are tired of Android talks. If Google needs Nokia so much to support Android, let Google's ceo to negotiate with nokia's ceo. But Nokia has made very clear that Nokia will stick to its Symbian and Meego. Android VM is simply not a good enough solution for nokia phones.
By the way, have you heard that one more phone maker will use Meego. I am not surprised in the forseeable future, more phone maker will move to Meego.
Regarding the app store, in the forseeable future it will absolutely outpace both Android market and apple store in terms of apps and downloading.
It is enough for you to sell you android and ios. we nokia supporters don't care and stop android trolling here! Get your life!
Wheez, 08 Oct 2010Funny how it has 95% daily interest now, while your phone probably wont have even 30%.
Trut... moreEvery high end Nokia phone gets tons of views on this website. Or at least that is what the website says.
Does that have any bearing on how good the phone is? Or even how many people will actually buy it?
No. It makes fans of the brand feel better though.
Wheez, 08 Oct 2010I dont mean that there wouldnt be a need/market for apps, clearly has, just look at iPhone, bu... moreBut people are an odd bunch. They like choices. So when Apple claims to have 1 million apps, even if there are tons of overlapping apps and more useless ones, it is the choice that is important.
I feel a need to say it again. The N8 is a nice phone. I am more worried about Symbian.
And to the person that said WP7 looks like Dos, look at some videos and reviews. Rock solid in prototype builds!!! Fast! And the way they did the screens as hubs is really nice. WP7 will offer a user an experience that does not exist right now. Will it be successful? Probably not with how saturated the market is right now. But I guess since the live tiles are not fancy looking, and you can't do homescreens it may not be flashy enough for some people.
Anonymous, 08 Oct 2010This would've been a great high end phone 2 years ago. Funny how it has 95% daily interest now, while your phone probably wont have even 30%.
Truth must hurt.
nicksti, 08 Oct 2010Different can be good or bad. But look how many people have to thank Google for their success.... moreI dont mean that there wouldnt be a need/market for apps, clearly has, just look at iPhone, but from what you've read from me so far, I'd want you to offer me some iPhone/Android app that you might figure I could have use for.
Cos I honestly tried looking for them, but I just didnt really find ANYTHING I would really consider really needing. Not to mention that there are plenty of apps outside OVI Store and that apps made in Qt will work in S^3, S^4 and Meego and that all S60v5 apps will work in N8. The chances are that there is an app you are looking for, in or out OVI store.
About the app thing, not everybody is the same. Personally I've found everything I've looked for in the OVI Store, but then again, I have very minimal use for apps, I don't really even understand what kind of apps would I want.
I once googled like top 10 apps for iPhone and some of them were games that I wouldn't play to begin with, 1 of em was like hmmh, I could maybe use that and rest the N8 already has or were just simply useless for me.
Not everybody buys phones for the apps.
Mark, 08 Oct 2010Hi Nicksti,
Let me explain, why Nokia should not do it (from their perspective that is, I a... moreDifferent can be good or bad. But look how many people have to thank Google for their success.
HTC has tripled their profits from 2009 same quarter. Thank you Android.
Motorola is on its was to being profitable and relevant again. Thank you Android.
Nokia will be different but that can mean being left out. Remember people make money developing apps. People will develop apps for widely used devices. That gives Symbian a disadvantage off the bat.
if i forget that ugly key under the screen, this is a beast. you can smash the other 2 (galaxy and iphone) by hitting them all together and n8 will not even have a scratch, it takes comparable pictures with any 12mp compact digicam and it has all the features and hardware that someone needs on daily
[deleted post]hey u r the liar who just keep on trolling on all n8 topics section..get lost from here..
Peter, 08 Oct 2010your words in quotes:
"People are into fancy screens now. S-LCD, S-AMOLED. 3.5" a... moreI am not saying the N8 does not have any of the things people want. The 3.5" AMOLED screen is fine. Apple iPhone 4 has a 3.5" screen. I would prefer a 3.5" screen over a 4.3" one.
The problem with Symbian will be an app thing initially. I am not saying that it will always be a problem, but for now Symbian does not have the app support iOS or Android does.
My point is the cameraphone segment is not what it used to be.
[deleted post]Hi Nicksti,
Let me explain, why Nokia should not do it (from their perspective that is, I am sure some consumers would buy a Nokia Android handset)
Right now S^3 is a differentiator. We can discuss about which OS is better right now, but the fact remains that only Nokia & Apple can decide on their own fate. They have control over where their OS goes, they own the App store, they own the development tools, they own the music service, they own their own IP. For Nokia this is still the case, even though it is "open source" now. Actually, the open source bit is better since it is more protective against lawsuits.
Since Android as an OS levels the playing field, Android handset makers will become entrenched in a hardware war. Based on similar cost patterns, their profit will disappear. Like PC's Microsoft makes all the money and PC makers very little (relatively). Ironically, for Phones both Apple and Nokia are the Apple of the Mobile space in that respect.
Next point. Android is made with stolen code. That is going to be a huge problem for everyone using this. What if java could not be used anymore? No more android thanks to oracle!
Also, Android runs a VM to do its work. It will always have a less optimal power/performance ratio.
These are just a few of the many reasons why Android is NOT better for Nokia in the long term. Please note everyone with cash, Nokia, Apple & Samsung have or are working on their own OS. S^3, iOS, Bada.
koushikp, 08 Oct 2010Lol...lighten up man..its a blog..u have something to share..do share, and be kind enough to s... moreYou want logic......
Logic1: This aint a blog, this is a comments section....lol
Logic2: Nokia cannot even dream of sidelining symbian...let there be meego, or any other os..because this is their main stream OS..
Logic3: N72 doesnt support OVI store doesnt mean that it's been left out.....
Logic4: If a companies stock goes down...it doesnt mean that the company is drowning, there are several reasons for it.
[deleted post]What is he lying?
I've had the device over a week now and I pretty much agree to the stuff he says. It's a great, great device.
You, instead, have never used the device and think you know how the phone really is? Riiiight..
Can someone give a little detail into how well Symbian^3 runs? Comparisions to Android? Similarity to old Symbian?
Just tried out the nokia N8 at the Nokia outlet in Hong Kong. To be honest, the UI is not as smooth as I have expected it to be. The web browser, to be honest, SUCKS TO THE MAX! A portrait qwerty with auto correct would also be much appreciated. The current one is just to tiring and destroy the whole pleasure of using the phone. However, the camera is really really GOOD! Now I understand why it is better than some compact cam. Photo gallery is a bit slow when loading but after it has loaded, everything will become smooth.
Music cover flow is extreme. Trust me, it is smoother and better to use than the iP4's. The screen....one word. GORGEOUS!! You have to see it to believe it. All those review videos don't do it any justice. It is simply stunning. Color contrast puts the iPhone 4 retina display to shame. Much to my astonishment, the N8 is really really light. You literally can't feel the weight and it is really thin. Thinner than what I have expected.
Moving on is the homescreen swiping. I cannot lie here. It does not deliver. They should integrate it so that it can move along with our finger. The current one is just too dead. And the pinch-to-zoom feature should really be revised. It is not fluid enough. One thing to note about the screen though is it is really responsive. It exceeded my expectation and the responsiveness of the screen really blew me away. I daresay it is on par, if not better, than the iPhones or HTC Desire.
Well, that is all for now. Will do a little video review after I have purchased my unit. At the moment still considering whether to get it or not.
P.S. The build quality is really something. No wonder a lot of sites give it a 5/5 for build quality.
nicksti, 08 Oct 2010Trust me, not nearly enough people in here are as sensible as you. There are quite a few peopl... moreNot from US no and my car doesn't have the other option I think I could live with, namely Bluetooth. FM transmitter also works nicely with rentals, friends car etc. which is a plus.
I've never had problems, but you do have some good points though with different cars ands wave saturation, it's not always the perfect solution.
nicksti, 08 Oct 2010The masses, as shown by sales, have moved past simple cameraphones. Your phone needs to have a... moreyour words in quotes:
"People are into fancy screens now. S-LCD, S-AMOLED. 3.5" and bigger."
- Nokia N8 has good screen quality with it's 3.5" AMOLED, not to mention their future CBD AMOLED tech (currently only in E7) which is simply THE BEST available on a smartphone until now.
"People are into smartphones now. Android and iOS."
- Nokia N8 considered more than just a smartphone, it even has features that NO OTHER PHONE currently has (i.e. USB OTG/HDMI/12MP cam etc...) so it's MORE than a smartphone, it's all rounder MultiMedia device.
"People are into apps now. Lots and lots of apps."
- OVI Store has lots and lots of Apps available growing faster daily and thousands will be available exclusively for Symbian^3 devices.
"Even Windows Phone 7 looks better."
- WP7 doesn't even support memory card, besides the looks like a DOS of 90s will make it fail 100%.
so all in all, you have a post without logic like all fanboys of nowadays.
good luck with whatever you're using.
read , i got this from engadget and lets see what iphone and SGS would say-
Surprise, surprise. The iFixit team have cornered themselves a dark grey Nokia N8 and have proceeded to do the one thing that comes naturally to them: disassembled it. It's mostly good news all around with this teardown, which found the BL-4D battery cell was only two Torx screws away from being user-replaceable, while the overall N8 construction was PRAISED as being the "BEEFIEST" of ANY PHONE THIS YEAR. plenty of bodacious highlights within, including the MASSIVE Xenon flash and the pair of camera modules -- which are regrettably not removable from the main board. The touchscreen controller in the N8 is the same as has previously been used on the Kin Two and BlackBerry Torch. Perhaps that's not the best pedigree in the world, but the (complete in one case, and relative in the other) lack of success of those phones WAS NEVER really about the screen's responsiveness.
nokia never abandoned symbian...5800 was released few years ago but still getting updates....