Okay, I got the Pencil.
Vs a stylus on the Wacom enabled Samsung Notes...
Sure the Note 4 series lags a little with refresh rate/digitising. On the whole still very impressive...
But why bring up the Pencil on the Pro forum??
Oh man oh man oh man oh man.
Having a surface this big WITH Apples control over ALL facets of hardware and software design is a win.
Shading with the side edge of the pencil tip is nice, and the 240hz sampling means drawing super fast circles actually render to screen as circles (writing is actually cursive).. but the real win is the large size of the device that you can do these things with.
I have several wacoms at varying price points in the house to use.
I stopped using them for artistry and more as just mousing surfaces after I got my Galaxy Note. Drawing onto the screen was awesome. (I had owned many stylus devices previously but they are in no way the same thing)...
So, a tablet sized drawing surface?
Not a lot of software doing handwriting conversion... Something I thought Apple would have had onboard. (Newton owners from circa 1993 rejoice)
There is software by some ex Apple staffers that allow users to screen pair the Pro with other Apple computers. Makes me want to get some of my Apple desktop hardware up and running to play with this cool feature (I doubt I would go back to Linux/Windows).
Bloody Apple ecosystem!! I can see myself considering iPhones in future (something that never even hit my radar previously) Airdrop etc and other Apple ways of doing things gain traction in an all Apple environment.
Anyhow the pencil is so very cool. So very far from being a Stylus needed for using a tiny device (Jobs would be 100% behind it)
Whilst I thought I would use my Notes screen for fun art stuff (my daughter does). The small screen is the killer. Even the smaller wacoms feel very limiting to creative input.
Whether digitiser size affects design, I cannot say, but unlike my 5.6" Note, writing sentences of text on this tablet is very doable.
Until now, a lot of handwriting mini devices want us to write words over where we just wrote words. Being able to flow on, natually across the whole surface in whatever 'font size' we wish is just soo cool.
War hammer game is kick arse use of the pencil.. I think having my fat fingers in the way of the screen would be annoying. The pencil works well.
I do not like how some of this first generation pencil software makes the heavy pressure option so heavy. Makes me want a glass screen protector, and fears of NIBs wearing out faster than necessary.
Not having a convenient case for the pencil or way to attach it is strange.
For the money Apple ask in my local market (118 US dollars), I would expect a svelte hardwaring case to be included. (That even $20 pens typically come with).
Recommend Faithless as the background musician on this here Pro.
Studio engineered excellence, smart and savvy lyrics, respect for religious views etc, and beaut panning of sounds make the speakers/sound output really shine.
Try "Back to Mine" Bug powder Dust. (Bomb the Bass Kruder and dorfmeister remix)
Happy using people's.
Having lived on gsmarena for many many years, Apple forum goers, exemplified here, are obviously too busy out in the real world getting on with living. Not violently defending their brand loyalties in silly forums with trolls who have no interest to understand how great it is to have a product be reliable and just help us work/get stuff done.
Admittedly, I'm feeling kinda lonely here with no one to banter with! (Grins)
Alright, got an IPad Pro over 24 hours ago, and have had a little time to play with it.
Being my first 'i'device, I have had a huge learning curve.
I had previously downloaded half a dozen Apple magazine, there is a free eBook (how to use iPads) in the Apple Store, and along with every Apple iPad Pro article I could find being well read (including articles on the processors (and benchmarks), iFixits' breakdown, and many forums for both hardware and software) I feel my crash course on Ipadedry has gone well.
I know --something=- about these things now.
My background is over twenty years of service in IT.. Everything from inbound and outbound technical support in call centres, managing various PC sales and repair outlets, as well as purchasing advice and technical recommendations for families and business' IT needs.
I have owned a couple of Macs, only one that has run an iteration of OS X (the best consumer OS in the world), but otherwise have been firmly rooted in the land of Windows and Android.
So, like, "Wow" (My honest feeling towards iOS)
Firstly the bad:
ITunes is horrible. (I won't qualify why I feel this way, the people who know why, have their own reasons for disliking it, and I am sure there are many people who get along fine with it).
iTunes does the very basic in the most basic way possible. By default it has some poorly set options. (Like wanting to delete my music collection after down converting it to a low bitrate Apple format).
I cannot interact with an iOS device like any 'normal' computer.
I cannot interact with an iOS device like 'normal' computers.
I can see that a parent or family member can set one of these things up and then rely on it to perform. There really isn't any chance for someone to accidentally move a crucial folder or delete something in any meaningful way.
It really is idiot proof.
Whilst, initially, learning the iOS way to do things is frustrating for PC hardcore users... After a few shortcuts are learned and the iOS way of doing things is understood, it all becomes very functional.
Sure it is a 'walled garden', but it can do most anything you throw at it, and quickly.
Everything is insanely fast (except iCloud transfer rates). Opening 20MB PDFs and scrolling, rapidly, through them. Zooming into anything and having the text render sharp and smooth every step of the way. (My overclocked water cooled i7 doesn't render any quicker; in fact Windows has a much harder time doing the same tasks.. Nothing a benchmark would show, just something a user will notice- it is all lag free and feels zippy on the iPad)
Blacks are black, Font edges are sharp. Everything animates very smoothly. This is my favourite display in the house (and that is saying something, given the wide range of options available, mostly top tier parts).
The brightness, the battery life. The noiseless (fan less) nature of the beast. It runs mildly warm when under load. Perfect computing component really.
Articles are popping up all over the net benchmarking and comparing the Surface tablet to the iPad Pro.
They are completely different devices.
If a person had access to no other computers, I could see how a they might lean towards a surface Pro. They could add an optical drive and burn discs and generally they could do a few tasks that full sized computing allows. (Firmware updating other hardware etc)
But for everything else; they will generally be running software designed for a different interface (there is a reason their keyboard HAS to have a trackpad), which has no size standard in place. With a design team that has NEVER shown consistency, or even appears to have a concrete direction in place.
Apple, (specifically, Jobs,) made OS X to essentially render all screen elements as if they were a PDF. It is obvious iOS has the same heritage or 'Motis Operandi'.
What this tablet can do with rendering images to the screen is crazy.
As I mentioned above, a fully fledged i7 with major amounts of high speed ram, running on several Solid state drives, all operating at max; cannot do SOME things as smoothly as this iPad does.
At it is on these fronts that the iPad is a Surface Pro killer.
Yes, technically a Surface can do more things.
Assuming a user of this iPad has another computer to do computers things; this becomes the ultimate 'consumption' device.
Everything I have wanted to do has been done smoother and 'better' on this device.
In the interests of not accidentally losing my words here.. I will post this now.
Created on my iPad, using a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard (k480).
I am no loyalist to any specific tech firm. I can confirm that if an iPad can do what you need it to do, then the surface is most likely the wrong option (if we were considering between these two..) as it is bulkier, less battery efficient, running inefficient software not optimised for the end user. With the iPad it just works.
Caveat: learn iOS. The ways to do things that people say are 'so easy', only become so when you know how to do them. PC background people might not consider needing to use four fingers for multi gesture commands. And trial and error won't reveal all the shortcuts available to make iOS a true champion.
Cheers, and thanks for your read.
Anyone play Legend of Grimrock from their IPP yet?
Headphone output to full sized cans? (impressions vs other iDevices/tablets/phones)
(My unit is in the mail, and my eagerness is in my mind; any great ipad articles (print or online) to recommend?)
Best accessories and suggestions for streaming software etc for using with it...?
I just figure the things I use I research well... and I don't know ANYTHING about iDevices (other than a dependency for itunes).
If you could do it again, would you still purchase the 'Pro'?
iTechWiz, 24 Nov 2015How is only being able to run two task considered Multitasking?!? What would you need a screen... more(part 2) (my phone didn't quote you in my reply, log in issue no doubt)
Surface sales growing! Sure take an underwhelimg market share, finally sell a product, then quote your growth rate as a percentage, vs the competitors, from whom market share is taken, and quote their market loss.
How about comparing actual numbers. Cause twice nothing is still next to nothing, vs actual IOs active userbase.
Iknow which platform will have ongoing development for it. I know which platform the next generation will be using (their legacy software will be IOS).
Sure the surface is a growth market area.
After a world financial crisis, manufacturers went back to the drawing board with one key concept in mind @how can we make it cheaper@.
(sorry I have lost 'quotes'; '' has become @. bluetooth keyboard via android)
For a few years cheap laptops filled the market.
New M$ OS came out, and rather than pay several hundred dollars for a new OS, a lot of people 'upgrade hardware'. In my country tax savings on ITcan be spread out over three years of the devices life. Business upgrade every so often, and the Surface, being a premium device when the market had little to none available, was a great draw.
At a time when the consumer drive was for hybrids; the surface pro was a hybrid worth having.
(do not however look at their upgrade woes to WinX)
In hindsight a lot of Surface Pro users will be in regret (not for the excellent hardware, but the software execution).
Very capable hardware, true.
I like great build quality.
I will always steer customers to better equipment, based on the idea that warranty is pointless (downtime and work lost), vs a better more reliable product in the first place (put those 'extended warranty dollars to better use buying 'better hardware'(better hardware doesn't mean more powerful, just more reliable).
Now, I hear your complaints about iDevices that sleep and brick. I am not an iDevice loyalist so I do not know how widespread this truly is.
However I have been an IT service person for greater than twenty years, loved the early builds of Win X (thought it was their best OS yet), but official release has gone very poorly for them based on some very silly descisions on M$ part.
I am presently recommending only a few clients and friends to do the upgrade in very specific situations. (As a techie I have to stay abreast of technology so I typically run beta OSs etc, and run Win X on ALL of my PCs, and laugh often and loudly at the things it does).
So I get that you have had some bad times with IOS, or at least, have read about others having these issues.
I will taste the waters for myself. I do have high expectations. and yet I think they are realisitc and I will be relatively happy....
Just don't compare specs on a surface and believe it is a better device. A swiss army knife as a lot of bullet points on a sales sheet. Still rather cut my vegetables with a kitchen knife.,
okay; I will bite....
tech wizard hey?
lets start with basics: dual core does't mean 'two tasks', it means a processor with two cores.
For decades machines had one core, and still managed to do a whole slew of cool stuff. Multicore allowed having near seperate processors to do this even more effectively. Chip architecture has a lot more to do with efficiency and effectiveness.
We used to have CISC and RISC chips, RISC chips, not playing the 'numbers game' (nice bullet points on a sales sheet) did more per megahertz(Mhz). Hence Power PCs having a few hundred Mhz having greater capability that Gigahertz CISC chips that powered majority of the market.
Phone system on a chip (SoC) are, to my knowledge, RISC, but have had major progress building in all sorts of functions that they have become 'jack of all trade' devices.... This new chip (A9X) has strong single core performance, and its dual core power is VERYCAPABLE. Better yet; the large design of the Pro allows effective cooling and it doesn't have to throttle the speed down (or fluctuate all over the place).
The embedded OS, multicore aware, will no doubt load the chip very effectively.
Mobile considerations have to include a power envelope. Even the almightly Intel has been making newer generation i7s to be more power efficient (as they had raw performance in excess).
The CPU (well SoC) in these will have enough grunt, going forward, I would like to think it will be a few years before Apple can release an IOs update that 'slows it up'.
Samsung OLEDs are great. (I write this from my Note Edge). Having five or more OLEDscreens in my house presently, and having owned many more previously, I am aware of their niceties. Pure black being the biggy.
I use a plasma TV because accurate colour, switching quickly, with a great contrast ratio makes everything 3D. Viewing angles maintaining colour accuracy is another big benefit of of OLED technology.
So a tablet....?
Well personal viewing dictates it is most likely to be viewed head on. (being portable and weighing ¬700grams, is easy to tilt to face head on as well) So colour shift isn't the issue. The black level of the high quality panel here used is excellent.
This display achieves a phenominal 'real world' contrast ratio.
And best of all: Apple have driven down screen reflectance.
This is a big thing. Might not make marketing literature; but those in the know, and even children or anyone who actually USES this, will see it in action.
Having clever software that changes the white balance (reducing blue light at night) is exceptional and Apple should be commended for this! Fatigue free viewing.
Don't get me wrong; I am a tech enthusiast and not a brand junkie (maybe ASUS due to their ongoing love for our planet). Whilst the brands that drive me the most nuts are often the ones I buy into time and time again: this is my first 'i' device.
Hey I hate iTunes software.
And I am the sort of person who likes fifty webpages open at a time, and tweaking the most out of my setups; I look forward to just having a nice PRODUCTIVE tablet.
Apple ecosystems have always shown highest levels of productivity (less time fighting with the OS to get stuff done no doubt).
Personally I don't want my business taken down by a forced M$ update on my Fleet of Win X machines.
Having an Apple toy that I can use that makes research fun rather than arduous is why I have purchased this tablet.
Might even get the pencil, and consider downsizing my Galaxy Note. (purchased for use as a tablet and a phone, jack of all, master of none).
Having an ¬A4 screen for PDFs sounds awesome to me.
As screens go this one is superb.
Clever stuff like dropping the framerate to prolong battery life (this isn't just a software trick) shows the typical Apple thought.
And ramping the digitizer up to 240 samples per second for pen(cil) input is cool.
Anyhow, I am a 'convert' you could say...
This doesn't compete against the Surface, even though shallow tech enthusiasts will think so (based on price point and keyboards?).
This tool might not be for everyone; but per usual, productivity goes up for those that do consider using this.
Productivity>numbers on a spec sheet: For The Win
are you sure about that. a supercomputer took 20 mins to replicate data that the human brain can process in 1 second, so please enlighten me
Alfonso, 18 Jan 2016Dual core processor no thanks.The CPU of this tablet is faster and more capable than your brain,so please stop inutile comenting here just to make you heard
itsYOU, 30 Jan 2016you don't know how processors workNotice how the geekbench scores of the iPad Pro is around 5000.
EhhThing, 24 Jan 2016You have no idea how processors work.you don't know how processors work
Alfonso, 18 Jan 2016Dual core processor no thanks.You have no idea how processors work.
I own one, it runs fantastic actually. Super fast, despite what the specs say.
Alfonso, 18 Jan 2016Dual core processor no thanks.Why not dual-core?
I hope these iPad is complicated I love it but still then its too expensive..............lol.
Anonymous, 20 Dec 2015please any one respond can the ipad pro support for auto cad softwareIt will not support Cad Softwares