BGJ7 Yes behind the glamour and the hype Apple is still the best computer and software manufacturer in my eyes, of course it cannot beat Microsoft in terms of business but I do not need these functions.
Apple is about user experience and it does not let you down. The mac is just so much fun to use. I feel more creative and want to do more when I am using my mac. The same goes for the iphone, it is a dream to use but it just doesn't have the feature list expected on basic phones in the UK.
Apple have released a phone thats 2 years out of date by UK standards. Steve Jobs was grilled by London press at the iphone announcement about missing key features. But he did say 3G will definately feature on the next one. Hopefully this will be announced at Macworld Jan 2008 as rumored, since Steve Jobs will base update periods on American releases not European ones. The iphone is 8 months old in January for the American market which is the usual update period for Apple products. Macs update every 6-8 months. I predict he will make an announcement of the new iphone revision 2 but have a mid year release.
On the Lewis Hamilton comment, he only got as far as he did because of the car (which was basically a Ferrari, since they stole the manuals). Also he would have won the world championship had it not been for errors made by his pit team, who openly accepted the blame. Ferrari won through sheer luck of events.
Thank you for an utterly flawed argument.
So you are basing the outselling of PCs vs Macs on the statistics of Princeton University students!?
Don't make me laugh this hard, I could injure myself. What about worldwide sales? Or are large samples not accurate enough for you?
Also, the other flaw is comparing Mac sales to Dell sales. You are aware that a large sector of consumers do not buy their PCs from Dell? Think of all the tens of millions of users out there who do custom builds of PCs. Or buy from independant PC suppliers. Or buy HP, Compaq or other branded PCs.
Also, I was strictly talking of computers, not operating systems. But since you mentioned it, remember a large proportion of users out there use neither Windows or Mac OS - they use Linux or other OS's. This still means the PC is "more" popular than Macs - they are more dynamic.
And please do not bang on about Apple share price vs Microsoft. Yet another major flaw in your argument - you do know that Microsoft don't sell computers?
So I say to you, check again on the "computer game".
And please use your brain next time. I think you are trying to be a little too clever for your own good, and I suggeest you get back to your college work before your "no doubt" predicted A grade turns into a C.
For your reading pleasure :
On-campus Mac users quadruple
By Doug Eshleman
I never thought I'd switch to a Mac. After all, I have used PCs since I was 5 years old. I carried around my old Dell Inspiron 8000, a bulky nine-pound beast of a laptop, throughout high school, and it never suffered from any hardware problems over its five-year lifespan.
The trouble was Windows — the operating system from hell.
So I decided to take the plunge and get a Mac. I wasn't alone; in fact, 40 percent of Princeton students and faculty use Macs as their personal computers.
In the 2003-04 school year, when the iPod was just becoming popular, a mere 10 percent of Princeton students had Mac computers connected to the network, OIT director Steven Sather said.
Sixteen percent of students chose Macs when the Class of 2005 arrived on campus the subsequent fall. The figure reached 23 percent the following year and then jumped to 31 percent of all personal computers on the network in fall 2006.
This year, the University's Student Computer Initiative has sold more Macs than PCs. Students were offered a selection of Dell, IBM and Apple computers, and 60 percent chose Macs, up from 45 percent last year.
to : mFxp
Check again the computer game: Apple sold more computers than Dell this back to schools season in American Colleges, in the technological game what matters is reality and future NOT the past
PS buy Apple shares they double in value every year NOT Microsoft.
One thing I will look forward to is the iPhone Nano.
You can bet it will be a cut-back iPhone, but I would much prefer small size over big features.
Hopefully it will be released...
there is a process manager on installer at the moment, download it it might be what you want. Hotmail cannot be sync by your pop3 etc because they have terminated the settings, although I hear u can get it if you have paid????? Anybody know of this? thats the good thing about my n95 is you have your hotmail emails direct to your phone. IPHONE STILL ROCKS!!! I LOVE IT
I didnt say n95 was crap! of all electrical devices I have ever brought the n95 was the only complete device. It does everything and mine never restart's etc. If I want to take serious pics I have a panasonic fx100. I only use the camera on iphone to take random shots so any basic cam onn a cell will do. But people I say this. Apple & o2 are rip off's DO NOT SIGN THE CONTRACT. Just buy offline and unlock it. If your scared or worried about update shops in my area are already doing updates for £10 if your not tech minded. Ive still got 1.0.2 and it's working fine so I wont update till I see somthing in new firmware that I need. Also Im on T-mobile uk and using 3g is a joke!!! Calls cant get through, I keep getting call failed and internet keeps disconnect & it eats the battery power, but if I switch to gsm phone works fine, so I have to use gsm or edge when I use iphone so it's stable.
PS - there is no hate. I am stating factual, impartial comment. I am not coming out with senseless, immature and geek-laden b0llocks like the "iPhone is horesh!t" and "SE rules".
It is the blind m0rons, spellbound by all the hype, who seem to think the iPhone really is the best thing in the world. As soon as someone like me points out the realities, all of a sudden the whistle is blown and the iPhone Hater card is pulled.
Also, Mobile Review - another popular mobile website - know better than most, and they hardly gave a gleaming review. And if their words aren't that important, why was their site targeted by hackers once they released their mediocre verdict on Steve Jobs latest overhyped venture?
It took me 3 hours actually.
And Apple didn't rewrite the computer game last time I checked. If my figures are correct, more people are using PCs and more developers are developing software for the PC.
I'm not saying PCs are better, but if Apple really did rewrite the "computer game", why aren't they leading it???
Can't argue with the "music game", but I will blame Sony for being utter arrogant dumbas$es, thinking the iPod wouldn't be a threat to their dated minidisc player. They sat on the fence for too long, and by the time they released their equivalent, the gravy train had already left and it wouldn't surprise me if they have to retire their legendary "Walkman" brand and stick to TVs and laptops...
And we are yet to see if Apple will "rewrite" the "mobile game" - it is very early days yet, and I think with such a high price tag, the majority of consumers will be turned off, which is why I think the door is still wide open for a compeitor to come in a clean up, blowing the iPhone away.
to : mF5y
It probably took you half an hour to fill this blog with senseless hate for the Iphone, can you imagine how long it will take Nokia to write
code ( software ) as powerful as the OSX, probably ten years and it would be obsolete by the time it would be ready, document yourself with the numbers and the success of Apple in recent years, they rewrote the rules in the PC game, the Music game and now in the mobile phone game, Nokia is pathetic trying to follow suit with their proposed online music store.
End of the story .
"In recent years Nokia phones have become average, with crappy looks and boring software and menu system. Nokia's time is over, Sony Ericsson and Samsung are the best mobile manufacturers at this point in time."
I would agree to an extent, but I think Nokia are slowly changing things for the better in terms of phone design (6500 Classic, Luna, E51).
Yes their software and menu systems are a bit boring, but they are no worse than SE or Sammy. Who is the "best" manufacturer at the moment is debatable. Sure Samsung produce well designed phones, but the constant barrage of black plastic and slider form-factor is beginning to get horrendously tedious. I also find their phone software clumsy.
SE make good phones, but again, they seem to be quite dull looking handsets; the design is never drastically changed, which even Nokia dabbles in (Prism, Communicator series, Tablet series, etc). I have never used an SE, but I hear their software is good, so I will give it the benefit of the doubt.
In terms of competing with OSX, I completely agree that the other manufacturers simply cannot compete - their software is too dated and no where near as innovative or original. Symbian, Palm and Windows Mobile are dated.
It will take a brand new OS to compete and, as someone has said, this could take a decade to produce to make it work properly. It will be interesting to see how this pans out in terms of operating software on mobile devices, although do not overlook a certain dark horse who could even blow OSX out of the water (hint: Google).
"Even though this first iphone is a bit crappy the second revision will most definately be a true revolution."
Well, if they sort out all of the problems and don't slap such an astronomically ridiculous price tag/contract, then yes, you could have a point here.
But do not underestimate the big boys or other competitors. Could you have predicted Hamilton doing what he did in F1? Everyone thought the new boy would win it in his first season. And did he? Don't apply the same method of thinking with Apple - look beyond the hype and glamour and is it really that great?
The problem for " the big guys " is that they do not have the OSX operating system, if you knew something about cellphones and software to drive them you would understand that the real value of the Iphone is not the hardware but the software and it would take the " big guys " ten years to come up with a software as powerful as OSX, Iphone is here to stay and to humiliate the " big guys" in the coming years.
Competitors with products similar to the iphone are already out there, but they don't sell as well because they simply do not function as well as they advertise. Apple has alway been about taking technologies available and putting it in a simple to use package.
Think about Mac OSX Leopard, Time machine allows the average Joe user to back up in a single button click. They've taken the backup up process and made it ridiculously easy.
So even if there are similar products to the 2nd or 3rd iphone generation they will never sell as well. They may do everything the iphone has and better, but it wont have the big Apple logo on the back which is a big as selling point as any features.
The second iphone with 3G out next year will have killer looks and improved functionality which look to wipe the floor with competition.
In recent years Nokia phones have become average, with crappy looks and boring software and menu system. Nokia's time is over, Sony Ericsson and Samsung are the best mobile manufacturers at this point in time.
Even though this first iphone is a bit crappy the second revision will most definately be a true revolution.
Please keep laughing up until January 2 2008 - when you return to school - and then get back home to find one of your 13-year-old peers has taken it for themselves; it's basically sreaming to be mugged, stolen or broken in the hands of someone your age.
Shall I start laughing now? Actually, that'd be cruel on your conscious.
And your parents wallets.
Re: Nokia releasing very average, un-innovative products.
Well, to an extent I agree. And IF Apple do release a new 3G iPhone, with GPS, a half decent camera, seamless applications/games support, resolve all the connectivity issues and sort out their diabolical texting problems, then I think not only Nokia, but ALL of the other cell manufacturers will be very, very worried.
Personally, I can't see this happening, because by the time Apple has released such a phone, you can bet the big boys would have released their own iPhones which do everything the 2nd or 3rd gen iPhone can do only better and cheaper with operator autonomy and far cheaper contracts.
Remember O2 have had to "bump" up their contract prices courtesy of greedy Apple taking a 10% slice of the pie.
Once the operator-autonimous iPhone killers are released, this sales strategy could begin to seriously strangle sales...
Nokia certainly sells a lot of average consumer phones and is the largest phone manufacturer, but apple like you say " being a new player" was able to deliver the best unit on the market and get long lines of people in front of stores worldwide wanting to buy it,
moreover Apple is getting paid top dollars by the phone companies on the traffic generated, unlike Nokia that discounts their phones to get into the phone carriers,read and get documented before making superficial and general comments about a company that bare no intelligent content at all !
i didn't say n95 was crap! In fact I think its the only ever complete device I have ever brought! EVER! I'm just saying if I want to take pics I'll use my panasonic fx100. Any basic cam is good 4 quick snaps. I buy phones 4 a few purposes and any1 who buy a phone 4 camera must be crazy. T-mob uk is stupid using 3g on n95, it disconnects and messes up my calls and eats my battery so i just use it on gsm to browse. If any1 considering buying iphone, buy unlocked from usa. Dont worry about updates as shops in my area are already updating for £10 if ur scared to do it. Dont give 02 your money.