You said "it's available already in US about $650", I am just wondering where did you get this info from. I would like to get ome for myself too, if it is for real.
Greatly appreciated in advance.
Will Eten produce a version of the X800 that has a full QWERTY keyboard ie the M900? Is the M900 just a rumour? I am looking to buy a high resolution (VGA) WM6 device; but it must have a full QWERTY keyboard. I-mate's Ultimate series seems as if it is never going to come out!!
It seems that Linux guys envy now Microsoft for its success in graphical user interfaces (its billions came from Windows’ GUI). Now some compilations of Linux (that was made for command line console), like Symbian could compete with Windows Mobile, that was from beginning an OS with GDI? Symbian, Linux of any flavor has no chance in the race with Microsoft for OS oriented on Graphical User Interface. All desktops mobile or not are based on Windows in 90%; that’s because Windows is more common and appreciated by large mass of users. The hardware gets cheaper and faster with each year passing, the memory is larger and all these are in the advantage of Windows that needs high power and large memory; the tough points of Symbian like little memory and low processor speed needs get to be useless. Windows Mobile is a way ahead Symbian as integration, functionality and development tools for writing its applications. Nokia’s hardware is made in the same place, by the same people and with the same components from which there are made the devices based on WM (in Asia, using the same source of chipsets; some chipsets from Nokia are even obsolete comparing to HTC and Eten).
4xkS, it is a defect in Windows Mobile's operating system that makes their processors so clock speed hungry. Symbian phones can achieve the same processing power with lower clock speeds. Look at Nokia's E90: it has an impressive pixel count; way higher than QVGA; and still achieves 16M colours; and yet the processor speed is way lower than a WM device. The latter has imminent devices appearing with VGA screens but that is only half the story. It needs to be coupled with the max colour palette ie 16M for it to be truly effective. Internet, stills, video, require vivid colour representation. It is not good enough to say that 16M will tax the processor. Technicians have to find a way to circumvent this problem otherwise they will be coming up with the same lame excuse for the next ten years!! In 2005 we had WM devices such as O2 Xda Exec with VGA screens and 65K colours. Today they are still at the same place. Conversely Nokia are steaming forward with their vivid 16.7M colour displays. The E90 has now greatly increased the pixel count. The next generation of E and N series Nokias will have VGA or wide-VGA screens coupled with 16.7M colours and WM will be left behind because their screens will look washed out. Symbian phones have a far more flexible OS and are less clock speed hungry. Furthermore 2.6 inch screens and upwards is size enough for anyone with normal vision to easily differentiate 65K from 16M. Many are watching feature films on 2.6 inch screens and enjoying the experience. Remember that business and pleasure go hand in hand and people want it on the SAME device.We should not allow WM to cheat us out of a vivid experience. Their record in terms of multimedia is terrible. Substandard video, substandard stills and substandard screens. Remember these "phones" have become multimedia devices. That is why internet, stills, video, radio, e-mail etc appears in the device. Thus M700, X800 etc can be seen as multimedia devices geared towards business. It is important that a high-end phone has state-of-the-art features. If we complain, the scientists will find a way of improving the device but if we keep mute the manufacturers will treat us as dunces and progress will be slow. If you don't ask you won't receive!!
The ETEN X800 uses an ARM9 core processor. HTC Kaiser uses the ARM11 for applications and an ARM9 for communications.
The human retina can see a large difference between 65K and 16M but just if you have a larger screen and a good display to reproduce all those 16M, Actually most of LCD can reproduce maximum several hundred thousand hues of colors. Also a larger depth of colors can be useful just for showing pictures; but are you happy to spend the same memory and processing power for 320x240 and 16M on a Nokia with and secret speed processors (probably to low to be advertised) or using a WM with 640x480 and 65K? A WM is not just for entertainment viewing pictures, it is for business, showing charts and working with tables havening many rows and columns. So for that purpose WM with 640x480 and 65K is better than Nokia’s OS with 320x240 and 16M. BTW you have to have the retina of professional painter to see all 16M. It is all about research in development; it is easy to increase to number of colors in software but is it worth the cost of processing?
Well ShortFuse it looks like in deed you do have a short fuse! The blog in question was written TWO years ago and still WM are stuck on 65K colours mainly because of their refusal to modify the type of screen they use. None of the recommendations the writer made have been implemented and it strongly suggests a lazy attitude. Conversely companies such as Nokia have reached maximum capabilities in terms of colour palette (16.7M colours). Ask yourself why? The answer is a more flexible system in terms of colour representation. The human retina does register a large difference between 65K and 16M colours. Windows Mobile have to catch up.
Anonymous: "How come Nokia implement 16M colour screens without too much fuss whereas Windows are reluctant to invest in the technology that will bring about a similar result?" If you bothered to click the link and read, you would have had the answer to your question.
It would be very easy Windows Mobile to have as default more than 65K. But as there was already explained on this board it is not advantageous as memory and speed expenses to have such color depth for now. There might be better results for the image quality having a higher resolution than QVGA like VGA than higher depth for colors. Also even if the graphical chip supports 256K most of cheap and small LCD screens can’t really reproduce high variation of colors so it might be little noticeable the increase of color number in memory.
WM is more complex and integrates better with PC world than the OS from Nokia. Also there are more and more applications for WM than other mobile OS; the processors from Nokia are much slower than those from Eten and HTC. Those that are Linux warriors in PC world might prefer Nokia over anything based on Microsoft software.
"ShortFuse" : Windows Mobile does support 262K colours. Look at the forthcoming I-mate 8150 Ultimate. How come Nokia implement 16M colour screens without too much fuss whereas Windows are reluctant to invest in the technology that will bring about a similar result? The same goes for the still cameras and camcorders on WM devices.
According to the FCC reports, the specs on the x800 have been upgraded. It sports 500mhz samsung cpu and 256MB Flash ROM now.
Can somebody make the necessary changes?
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=822177&native_or_pdf=pdf (page 235)
Windows Mobile doesn't support 262k colors.
It's rather difficult to notice and takes up more ram. 65k = 16bit and 262k = 18bit.
What is that means 65 vs 256.? have you ever seen 256k colors on PDAs, with lower screen resolution like 320x240, this one is 640x480 and it's perfect with 65k, you stupid