So to cut a long story short:
a) A-GPS works "WITHOUT" subscription, but it only works "WHERE" it is available; i.e. where there exists assistance servers.
b) If the phone can not find any servers, or it fails to establish a connection with one, the GPS chipset will continue functioning by searching for satellite signals and calculating the phone's location through the triangulation process.
c) Some guy posted on this discussion board that he tested the phone in Macedonia, and said that the GPS worked fine. It comes with google maps installed, but he didn't test whether it is possible to install a 3rd party navigation software or not. My own guess is that you can do that. This is Windows Mobile; tons of applications out there. Nokia limited this by releasing the N95 (both versions) and the E90 with a GPS chipset that can not be detected by 3rd party navigation softwares; because the softwares keep searching for a bluetooth GPS dongole, rather than a chipset integrated onto the phone itself. It only needs very simple extra lines of code to be added to the Operating System to make the GPS chipset appear to be connected via bluetooth, said by GSM Arena guys on one of their articles here.
Finally, I think HP delayed this unti because Microsoft is about to release a new version of Windows Mobile. It would not be nice for us to buy the phone, and then three months afterwards, a new OS comes out!
I want to explaing two points here:
1- HP did not announce that this phone will have a SiRFStar III chipset. Yet, no one knows if it has it or not. My own opinion, based on what I read, is that phones with the QualComm 400MHz processor has SiRFStar III chipset; maybe that has something to do with bonding the two of them on chipset level. Frankly I am not sure about it. This phone is using a Marvell PXA270 520 MHz. And as someone mentioned earlier, if it was the SiRFStar III, HP would have said it!
2- As for A-GPS: A-GPS means assisted GPS, which means that the GPS function is being "ASSISTED" by the GSM platform in order to enhance performance, and increase the accuracy of pinpointing the phone's location. If any PDA phone that has A-GPS function does not have a SIM card inside, the GPS chipset will work just fine according to the operation circumstances; i.e. the environment in which the phone is present during performing navigation tasks.
A-GPS simply means that the phone will push tasks to be processed by an assistance server, thus saving time and battery life. The assistance server, which has a better lock on the satellites signals, will send two types of data to the phone:
a) It will send information regarding the current satellites locations, thus helping the chipset on the phone to quickly acquire a lock, and hence saving time and battery life. Simply it is telling the chipset exactly "where" to look at.
b) It will also send information regarding the current location of the phone, based on "SIGNAL POWER CALCULATIONS". The server will calculate how much signal power is required to deliver a signal powerful enough to the cell phone. But those calculations are not always correct. Here is a typical scenario where this type of calculations will totally fail to calculate the phone's precise location:
Let's say that the server will calculate that "X watts" are required to reach the cell phone. From the power equation the server will calculate, for example, that the distance between the phone and the antenna is 500m. But what if the cell phone was being used only 5m away, yet inside a concrete building, or inside a steel-based building (the shielding effect of the conductor "steel" will require the antenna to use more power to deliver the signal), and "X watts" of power is required to establish a connection?!
There was an article published here on GSM Arena about the new Google Maps software, which has just been released, that enable users to know where they are based on this type of calculations. Read that article and it will explain that this type of technology is not close to ordinary GPS in accuracy.
In spite of all its features its disappointing that it does not have a vga screen.
I meant to say, if there was a SiRF chip in it, they would mention it, I'm sure
There is no Sirf Star III, it has A-GPS (assisted gps) and I don't know if you have to pay to use it or not. May be they will change it to a Sirf StarIII, but I doubt
hello everyone.just need quick advise whether this phone is using GPS chipset from SiRFstarIII and can be pair with Garmin Mobile XT navigation software? Any input would be appreciated.
THe handset is going to have WM 6.1 when its going to be released in early next year.
This is the reason for the delay
Yes; unfortunately that is true. And the phone being sold on ebay might be one of the test units that have been distributed for testing purposes. The photos show that the package does not have the items mentioned earlier on HP's website to be "In-the-box". And also the package looks really cheap! If HP says coming 2008, then I'm sorry buy forget about eBay or any other online outlet!
Bad news guys! The phone has been postponed to 2008. Check the phone page on HP's official website.
in da pic looks like a dream and i just worry about the size cause is almost the same size as kiser tytn II.. Expected smaller=]
Is this phone already selling? Which country it is already launched? Pls let me know!
of course it is a touchscreen phone. it's not like iPhone, it's some hundred times better than it.
I forgot to mention...
The headphones are preaty loud, so does the speakerphone.
But the batery life is very short.
I was surfing on the net, talking and transfering files over bluetooth the night i got the phone and the batery had 40% next day.
I transered teh pictures to PC and I must say the quality was better, but not stunning. I own Sony Ericsson k750i and his 2MP camera gives pictures with better quality.
anyway the built in camera is not the pimary feture on this phone :)
The wheel is GREAT!!!
I loved it, the navigation while you roll your finger over the keyboard
for me was new experiance but a good one. If you roll clockwise it gows downward on menues, while rolling anticlockwise it scrools up, up and up :)
It works without SIM card, but the model i worked with had Google maps installed, so I needed data connection to work with it.
I tried to connect via wifi in a mall, but because of the walls the device coudn't find ANY gps satelite :(
i didn't have much time to play with the device (i had to bring back next day :( ) so i didn't installed third party GPS software (i think that this IS a option), but i hope that the final production version will come with some more built it software, including other application for GPS functionality.
That's it for now...
If I upload the pictures from the camera I will post the link.
hey i'm from macedonia too haha. kako ste? :P
can you please record a video and upload it on YouTube. then, please send us the link :) (or e-mail me)
Thanks in advance