AnonD-252, 24 Feb 2011When I am in bed watching a movie on my phone I hold it only in "the screen-part" be... moreIf you are holding the phone in landscape mode above your head while lying in your bed, the screen part of the phone is only 4 mm thick. It is unlikely that you would hold the phone by the screen part only. The finger you use to support the phone will most likely also cover the keyboard part of the phone. Most people when they hold this phone will place their finger in the middle of the side of the phone which means the finger will be supporting both the keyboard part and the screen part.
I don't know how you hold your devices. You seem to come up with creative ways to hold phones in a manner which most people would not. If you do only grip the screen part, then you would likely have the same issue with the SE X Pro. The keyboard part of the phone is generally the heavier side. If you only grip the screen side, then as you move the phone around, gravity will likely pull the keyboard down even for sliders. I also have an N97 which has a spring with more tension. If I only grip this phone on the screen part and then move it around, I can get the keyboard to also fall down due to gravity and some moderate motion.
Instead of trying to find problems with the Z hinge of the Desire Z, why not just try to see how you could hold it without the keyboard opening or closing? It's not that hard and not that cumbersome.
AnonD-1710, 23 Feb 2011i agree with you. nobody picks up his desire z by only the half part...that's just so stupid. ... moreWhen I am in bed watching a movie on my phone I hold it only in "the screen-part" because the screen is tilted down a little and resting on my fingers, but when my hand get tired and I change position gravity will open the keyboard and its weight will make me drop the phone because I am only holding in the screen part.
I am not trying to give Z a bad reputation, I actually like Z and could end up buying it, Pro could be to expensive or have some other problems specific for Pro, but the z-hinge is a real design-problem.
It is very possible to pick upp the phone holding only the half part, even though that is not the intention but you could be in a hurry and not looking carefylly on how you pick up the Z.
Placement of the keys are standard on all qwerty-keyboards, q followed by w followed by e..., but some bad keybords have to little space between the keys or the keys do not have enough travel when the are pressed, and it is only those bad keyboards that have long learning periods for the user. The symbols on top of keys that demand using function-key may need some learning, but typing normal letters on the qwerty need no lerning-period if the keybord is not bad. The problem with Z is the to small space between keys and the "travel" when the keys are pressed is to short.
AnonD-1710, 23 Feb 2011the proper usage of the phone will make it last longer. also, it always depends on the design ... moreThe lying on your back position can result in the screen drooping down. The way I get around it is I hold the screen up with my index finger as I type with my thumbs.
AnonD-252, 17 Feb 2011You should not hold IPhone4 normaly, and Z should not be used in bed or even holding it vertic... morethe proper usage of the phone will make it last longer. also, it always depends on the design construction on which how you should use or rather hold it. some have sturdy slide mechanisms, others have a loose construction. but that doesn't mean that one is inferior to the other. taking good care of your phone makes it last longer. if you are disappointed of your phone, you can always replace it. sell it, or swap it with a phone that meets your criteria. As for me, I've been using my desire z for a month now. sure i also noticed that the hinges a little loose whenever i try to use it lying on my back. I have read most of the comments here regarding the HINGE. After numerous times of sliding the keyboard, I'm still satisfied with the overall performance of the phone.
AnonD-123, 20 Feb 2011What makes you think that most people would pick up the phone while only gripping the keyboard... morei agree with you. nobody picks up his desire z by only the half part...that's just so stupid. they just come up with things in order to destroy the desire z's reputation.
does htc plays full song for message tone?
Anonymous, 22 Feb 2011ive got a fat scratch on the bettery cover of my dz somehow anyone know how much they are to ... moreYou can get it in ebay, at just below $10 with free shipping.
AnonD-252, 22 Feb 2011Good keyboards do not need a month learning curve, N97 mini have a very good keyboard, that is... moreUntil they make key placements on all phone keyboards standard, there will be a learning curve. The N97 keyboard has the space bar off to one side. It took me a while to adjust to something as simple as this change. I keep hitting the shift key or period for a while before I got used to it. For many of the symbols, it is also different with different keyboard. The numbers are also different on different keyboards. The BlackBerry numbers are in a T9 configuration where as they are on a typewriter configuration on many other phone. Keyboards will generally have 3 to 5 rows of keys. All of these differences in addition to a different feel of the buttons contributes to a learning curve. The more similar the new keyboard you use is to the old one, the less of a learning curve you will have. BlackBerrys generally have the same keyboard layout, so if you go from one to another, your learning curve will not be very steep at all. Going from a BB to an N97 Mini will require a learning curve.
As good as you say the N97 Mini keyboard is, if I change to it, I am sure that it will take a few weeks to adjust to it. The reason is that now I have to deal with the fact that there is only one shift key. The space bar is off to one side. The punctuation is in different locations. I have to press the shift/alt key to access the question mark and the @ key. The keyboard is also going to be smaller and will have a different feel. All of these differences will take time for me to learn and to unlearn how to use a Desire Z keyboard.
AnonD-123, 22 Feb 2011Was the Rhodium your old phone? Have you tried both the DZ and SE XP and found you like the X... moreGood keyboards do not need a month learning curve, N97 mini have a very good keyboard, that is a lot better then and very different from the "original" N97, and I did not need any learning curve at all to be able to write fast on N97 mini.
If a keyboard need a long learning curve then it is a bad keyboard!
AnonD-252, 22 Feb 2011This is the "deal breaker" for me that make me not buy Z:
"The keyboard itself... moreWas the Rhodium your old phone? Have you tried both the DZ and SE XP and found you like the XP better?
Just FYI, practically every keyboard is designed with a different look, layout and feel. No matter what keyboard you switch to, you will have a learning curve of a few weeks at least if you text regularly. If you don't the learning curve will be longer. It took me a few weeks to get used to the N97 and then when I switched to the DZ, it took me another few weeks to get used to that. My BlackBerry took a lot longer as I rarely text on it.
With so many different keyboard designs out there, you cannot really know for sure whether you like the keyboard or not until you use it for a month. Only then do you realise if you have difficulties with it or if there are features you really like about it. It took me that long to realise that on the N97, the key was in an inconvenient place as I often hit it by accident. When I switched to the DZ, I found I had to press the keys in a different manner. The keys on the DZ are raised while the ones on the N97 are flush with the panel. The BlackBerry is an entirely different animal with no space in between keys.
If you are uncomfortable with the DZ, then just go with the SE XP. I don't want you to get a phone you are not comfortable with. Let us know how you like it after a month.
ive got a fat scratch on the bettery cover of my dz somehow
anyone know how much they are to replace?
AnonD-252, 22 Feb 2011This is the "deal breaker" for me that make me not buy Z: "The keyboard itself... morepressing the keys are awsome on a desire z man you dont know nothing about the z i think you are a windowlicker with no money
This is the "deal breaker" for me that make me not buy Z:
"The keyboard itself is very good. But strangely, not quite as nice as the one on the Touch Pro 2. The the keys are slightly smaller (and one less row of keys), and do not have quite as much “travel” when pressing the keys. It feels like a slight step backward from the Rhodium," http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?s=99dbc45ba1b6c35baa87cb63e74cacb1&t=955526 , I really did not lika the keyboard on Touch Pro 2.
AnonD-2156, 21 Feb 2011That comment regarding the hinge getting weak was made by somebody who has probably never use... moreI was a bit too quick to post. I get more that a day of on time with leaving the device on. Streaming tunewiki, SMS, email, and web browsing not too much with the phone calls, no video capture. but I only had the battery a few days. More testing is required. I certainly don't reach for my Power Monkey as much as I did. I no longer use juicedefender screenblanker, or have to be conservative with my APN, or background data sync settings.
AnonD-252, 20 Feb 2011I think many users pick it up holding only in the back-part when it is on the table... with th... moreThat comment regarding the hinge getting weak was made by somebody who has probably never used a DZ. I've had mine for a while now, and it's just snappy as day one. Also, another big bonus was getting the 3500 mAh battery off eBAY. Now, I get thirty+ hours of on time no matter what I'm doing, without needing a powerup, and I can hook my non-dominant hand's middle finger around the battery housing for extra stability when doing extended typing, like this repy. B-)
AnonD-252, 20 Feb 2011I do not like the design of SE XPERIA Pro, but it have better specs and better qwerty, I defin... moreYou seem to be in a delima. You like some aspects of the Xperia Pro more and others of the Desire Z more. You have to decide if either has any "deal breakers" for you.
I don't think you should have any concerns about the ribbon cable on the Desire Z. It would only be exposed for the split second that you open or close the keyboard. It is otherwise, well protected.
It is impossible for me to say how well the hinge will last after two years. All I can say is that after three and a half months, I have not observed the hinge on my Desire Z degrading in any way. I do use the keyboard often, so I flip it open a number of times a day.
I can understand your concern about the weight. I went from an N97 (150g) to the Desire Z (180g). I do notice the extra weight, but it doesn't really bother me. I personally keep it in a belt holster rather than my pocket.
AnonD-252, 20 Feb 2011Plastic does not have to be a bad thing because it is more important that the phone is lightwe... moreYou like se i like htc you are in the wrong forum m8 yes you are a basher go away
Anonymous, 20 Feb 2011you ever heard of xda developers??? and yes its 140gram xperia pro but its ugly and uglyEven xda-developers have problem rooting the latest versions of the official HTC rom, and the method is rather risky for everyone else that could end up with a very expensive brick.
desire z, 20 Feb 2011Xperia pro l;ooks so plastic cheap cheap you really like xperia pro design above htc desire z ... morePlastic does not have to be a bad thing because it is more important that the phone is lightweight than that the backside looks good hidden in you hand or in your pocket. SE have unfortunatly choosen a very glossy plastic that is a "fingerprint-magnet", but that is hidden in your hand or your pocket so that is no big problem. A 180g metal-phone in the pocket will however be a problem and a constant reminder during the whole day.
desire z, 20 Feb 2011Xperia pro l;ooks so plastic cheap cheap you really like xperia pro design above htc desire z ... moreI do not like the design of SE XPERIA Pro, but it have better specs and better qwerty, I definetly do not like the SE user interface, but for me it is important that the phone is not to heavy because I bring it with me all day in my pants pocket, and the qwerty must be good and I must be able to trust that it will be lasting for more than 2 years and does not have a hinge that could possibly break or someting could accidently damage the cable to the screen.
SE Pro have HDMI and a good camera and the best qwerty and a faster cpu and better battery, while the only really better on Z is how it looks with more beautiful design and Sence inside and ofcourse a larger internal memory.
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