Yes, I agree. The prices of newer flagship phones are becoming ridiculous. $1000 for a smartphone that gets replaced every year or two! A device mostly used for calling, texting, Facebook, browsing, YouTube and occasional gaming. Wow! Does it really have to cost like a high end desktop PC? And does it really need to be replaced annually like manufacturers would like users to believe? Smartphone advances are reaching a plateau. Demand for the latest phone models are slowing down. Soon we'll experience the first smartphone sales decline. That's why manufacturers intentionally remove features that prolong phone life and usability. Removable batteries and dedicated external sd storage are no longer offered. That way, you'll buy new phones when storage is full or battery is dead. I'm tired of wasting money on those new flagship phones with fewer and fewer features. Ni more headphone jack, no ir blaster, no FM radio, no dedicated sd card slot, no removable battery, etc. It will only get worse.
I have my V20 for just over a year now & it's been good so far. Cons -long like a phablet well that's kinda technically what it is. Screen Burn is becoming an issue. I don't plan to upgrade when my contract expires at the end of the year so I'm hoping this phone can last another 3 or 4 years. I'm tired of upgrading & also the price of phones are becoming ridiculous
Anonymous, 06 Mar 2018Im still using my Samsung S3 (4g model) thanks to the feature battery removable : ))) Yes. Removable batteries make it possible to have 6 year old phones. IPS LCD lifespan is minimum of 10 years so maybe my Lenovo P770 (2012) model with IPS LCD display can still last up to 10 years. Let's see. My Lenovo P770 is also still alive because of removable battery (original battery was replaced - became swollen/bloated/non-charging).
Anonymous, 05 Mar 2018Yikes! 6 years, really? That would be like still using a Samsung S3 today. What a nightmare.Im still using my Samsung S3 (4g model) thanks to the feature battery removable : )))
Anonymous, 05 Mar 2018Yikes! 6 years, really? That would be like still using a Samsung S3 today. What a nightmare.Fortunately the LG V20 is future proof, because it has Snapdragon 820, f1.8 camera aperture and Android 7. It's a 64 bit system and supports the Vulkan API too. The Android 7 features like freeform floating windows are very useful.
Anonymous, 05 Mar 2018Yikes! 6 years, really? That would be like still using a Samsung S3 today. What a nightmare.Actually no. The V20 will still be very capable 6 years from now. Improvements in mobile phone technology have reached a plateau. It's like the personal computer really. Despite more efficient and faster processors, people no longer upgrade because the 6 year old i3 processor in their PC's are still fast enough, their full HD IPS monitors are still good enough and they only use their PC's for Microsoft Office, Facebook and Multimedia consumption. Just like mobile phones really. The V20 will certainly be not the fastest anymore or have the crispestnof displays, but still, it will remain a very capable photo shooter, phone, facebook, gaming and browsing phone, not to mention you'll still be able to use it as an FM radio, master remote and huge storage device owing to its dedicated SD card support up to 2TB.
Anonymous, 05 Mar 2018The extended battery and the battery case are two different things. There is no extended batte... moreThat's why is better put an extended battery instead the original with the supplied alternative case. Are advisable the 6.400 mAh models in order to an optimum grip.
Anonymous, 05 Mar 2018It's likely the V20 will be the very last flagship to have removable batteries, ir blaster, FM... moreYikes! 6 years, really? That would be like still using a Samsung S3 today. What a nightmare.
Anonymous, 02 Mar 2018I think it's super hilarious you're all knocking sealed batteries when there is a high chance ... moreThe extended battery and the battery case are two different things. There is no extended battery for phones that have non-removable battery. The ZeroLemon battery cases are just power bank cases which continuously charge the phone's internal battery. The phone still uses the internal non-removable battery, the case just charges it. It also means more frequent charge-discharge cycle, which means even faster degradation of the phone's internal sealed battery. The powerbanks, battery cases won't save your phone if the internal sealed battery has swollend and died.
It's likely the V20 will be the very last flagship to have removable batteries, ir blaster, FM radio, dedicated SD card slot + dual SIM support, (not hybrid slot), slimport support, headphone jack, 16:9 screen and forced LTE only capability in SIM 1 - all in a single phone. It will be a long time before I replace this phone due to all those features above that I really MUST HAVE in a phone, and due to the absence of a worthy successor even after almost 2 years since the V20's release. LG simply made the V20 the last of its kind to have everything you can ask for that it's difficult for me to look at another overpriced disposable phone that is devoid of features versatility and long term life expectancy. Even until now, the V20 still has one of the best (if not the best) photo, video and audio capability from an image/video/audio quality standpoint. (Check out gsmarena's photo compare tool in low light.)
I have never regretted buying two V20's and probably never will as a true V20 successor with the same MUST HAVE features I mentioned will likely never come.
So dear V20 owners, hold on to your V20 while they last, which is going to be in 6 years or more if the IPS LCD screen lives up to be as lasting as my Lenovo P770's screen (2012 phone) which is still fully functional until this very day (6th year; battery already replaced). When that time comes for your V20, you'll realize two things: 1. How much truly it is more than worth it for the price, for serving you for the last 6 years, and 2. That technological advances in 6 years time will still not have rendered the V20 obsolete due to its extensive feature set and future proofing (dedicated expandable storage, removable battery)
Just ignore the Samsung trolls. Samsung, Apple and other phone manufacturers will soon realize people no longer want waste money on yearly upgrades that does nothing to make a new overpriced flagship smartphone truly more versatile and long lived and worth the price forba year or two of service life.
Anonymous, 04 Mar 2018LOL LG has screwed over probably thousands of users with bootloop and you're concerned about b... moreIndustrial policies are very clear : each year and half to two years you should have a new phone.
Personally counterattack : two V20.
garyj, 03 Mar 2018I find it hilarious that you and so many others willingly bend over and take it up the rear fr... moreLOL LG has screwed over probably thousands of users with bootloop and you're concerned about batteries wearing out? Again, you're all exaggerating the situation by making it sound like sealed batteries are infinitely sealed in and cannot be removed or replaced which is not the case. Are sealed batteries sealed inside the phone? Yes. Are they hot swappable? No. Can they be replaced by the user? No. Can they be replaced by a experienced shop? Most certainly yes. Can the phone still be waterproof after the battery being replaced? Also yes (I asked around).
The whole "planned obsolescence" theory is not true, otherwise Apple would have not dropped it's battery replacement cost to $29. It's as if they're almost encouraging battery replacement now. Again, $29 might be a months salary where you are but $29 in the US is like an hour or two of work to most people. It's really reasonable considering a third party repair shop will also do it but for only a couple dollars less so you might as well pay the $29 and get Apple to do it. Batteries you tend you get what you pay for so if you're buying a replacement battery for $5 it's probably junk. If you want to compare Apple's to Apple's (so to speak) Apple is charging $29 to replace a battery in an iPhone, that's direct from the manufacturer, now, in the US if you want to by a replacement v20 battery direct from LG it's $39.99. So who's bending over and and who's screwing who now? Of course I know you can go on Amazon or eBay (fake) and get them for $10-20 but I'm comparing prices directly from the manufacturers.
Again I think sealed and non-sealed batteries have their pros and cons. If I could have a removable battery with all the advantages of a sealed battery I'd also be totally for it. You say there are no advantages, again not true, if you look at phones with and without sealed batteries the trend is manufacturers can put in a larger battery if they can seal it in. A unibody phone will also be structurally stronger and more robust than a phone with a removable back similar to how a convertible cars frame isn't a rigid as a car with a hard top.
Just a curious question if you're all so anti-sealed battery can I ask what are you going to do when it's time to buy a new phone and there are no phones with removable batteries?
raziel1993, 02 Mar 2018this phone have a bootlop of the death? I'm buying itSimple answer: No
garyj, 03 Mar 2018I find it hilarious that you and so many others willingly bend over and take it up the rear fr... moreMind up that those sometimes unconsciousness of sealed batteries supporters ignore that when the graphene battery comes they should buy a new phone or, loosing the waterproofing, get a new battery. Is arguably, however, for removable batteries, get alternative batteries. Availability depends of the manufacturers. The original battery supplying doesn't would be problem.
Anonymous, 02 Mar 2018I think it's super hilarious you're all knocking sealed batteries when there is a high chance ... moreI find it hilarious that you and so many others willingly bend over and take it up the rear from these phone manufacturers and their planned phone obsolescence policies. They know full well that a battery can take only so many charges until it fails and by sealing the battery compartment they are in effect forcing the public to purchase a new phone every few years if they want communications with the rest of the world. I presently have a Galaxy Note 4 that I am perfectly happy with. It's as advanced a device as I will ever need and it would have had to have been retired a little over a year ago had I not been able to replace the battery. This ain't rocket science man, phone manufactures are screwing you and everybody else with this sealed battery compartment and their enormous prices for devices but you and many others seem to be to dull to realize it and are instead cheering them on!
There is no advantage to a sealed permanent battery. Its not flexible so it cannot be changed on the fly. This is extremely inconvenient if you are in the field and have overlooked "topping off" your battery When the permanent battery "charge holding" decreases to a low level, its costly to replace the battery. On the other hand, replacement batteries can be changed on the fly, and their is no $75 charge to replace the battery when it is no longer useful. Replaceable batteries sell in the $5.00 -10.00 range, so you can keep as many charged replaceable batteries on hand as you want.
Anonymous, 02 Mar 2018I think it's super hilarious you're all knocking sealed batteries when there is a high chance ... moreLet me say something about your chance choosing a new phone. You can agree many times with several specs and features. Has then always the suitable correlation with as, for example, minimum 4.000 mAh sealed battery ?
I think it's super hilarious you're all knocking sealed batteries when there is a high chance your next phone will have one.
Again, both sealed and user removable batteries have their pros and cons, one is not better than the other but I *personally* prefer the advantages of a sealed battery considering all my phones before this one had user removable batteries and I didn't really see any advantage to it. I just want the biggest possible battery in my phone and don't want to have to carry around powerbanks or spare batteries and not have to put my phone into silly zerolemon case that would turn my phone into the size of a small brick. btw there are zerolemon cases for phones with sealed batteries, too.
I suppose I should buy a 20 year old used car because cars then didn't have so many fancy electronics and were more owner serviceable and had a full size spare in the boot!
Speaking about phones with removable batteries I totally agree with you as it is a big advantage.Cos I have had a few phones and have been using them for long term thanks to being battery removable.The one which I had before my V20 was G3, which I have been using since 2014.When the battery started dying it would go into reboots cos of dying battery and imagine what if battery wasn't removable.But I changed the battery (MPJ) and bingo it works as it used and Im still using it.The bottom line, I go for removable battery rather than waterproof