MLAVRA, 20 Oct 2017I believe that this discussion is pointless. This is V20 forum so it is somehow natural that m... moreI agree. Just sharing my thoughts and experience coming from phones with sealed 4000mAh batteries or higher. The V20's removable battery is really an advantage to other flagships with about the same battery capacity (3000mAh to 3900mAh range) as it is the capacity range that tends to be convenient enough to make it through the day, but also one with deep discharge prior to recharging and hence, faster battery wear and tear. As I said, at this capacity range, a removable battery is best for a phone's longevity. Once you get to 4000mAh capacity, it wont matter much since battery will still likely be good even after 3 years and by that time, you may have already seen and bought a new phone. If you plan to change phones less frequently than 3 years, then removable batteries is a must for you but you must buy plenty of spare batteries before they are phased out.
Anonymous, 20 Oct 2017My sealed battery phone is 1 year old now and the battery is still going strong and can still ... moreWhat I stated was a general guideline. It may not be applicable to light users but generally applies to moderate to heavy users. Battery technology has been the same: lithium ion/lithium polymer. They are sensitive to drops and overheating which shortens their useful life. The more deeply discharged a battery is, the greater the wear and tear. Therefore, a 70% discharged (30% power left) 4000mAh lithium battery at the end of the day which will be recharged at that remaining battery level, will have less daily wear and tear compared to a 3000mAh one which will be 94% discharged everyday (6% power left) prior to recharging, given the same usage level. Even if you manage a day without recharging and only charge a phone when you get home, if it frequently gets to deep discharge levels, it is going to have shorter life than one that is lightly used and gets charged daily at say 30% battery power left. The total battery capacity and usage pattern determine battery life, not the technology which still hasn't changed much in years. My guideline therefore stays. 1. Do not buy a phone with less than 3000mAh battery, 2. If you must buy 3000mAh - 3900mAh battery phone, it shiuld be removable/user replaceable and 3. 4000mAh or higher battery capacity is best as it will wear much less. Between a Huawei Mate 10, a Samsung Note 8, a Pixel XL 2, and an iPhone 8 plus, the Mate 10 is expected to outlive the others in the battery department. Of course if you are a light user with your phone not deeply discharged at the end of the day despite the low battery capacity, then good for you. You can have any phone you want.
I believe that this discussion is pointless. This is V20 forum so it is somehow natural that most of us are V20 owners and this is because we love its features and functionality. I love it because of replaceable battery; I travel a lot and even the best battery will discharge after some time and if you are stuck at the airport or somewhere else and want to change the reservation, cancel the hotel or simply call home it is convenient to take a fully charged battery out of your pocket and replace it. What else makes V20 distinctive is a dedicated SD card slot (2 SIMs + SD card slot) which is a rarity today too. The advantages of other solutions are not acceptable for me but I will not try to persuade others that they are wrong. Therefore let's concentrate on functionality of V20 here and exchange the experience about hardware and software problems, updates and like.
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Anonymous, 20 Oct 2017As a general guide for those who value screen-on-time and battery life and at the same time wa... moreMy sealed battery phone is 1 year old now and the battery is still going strong and can still get over 6 hours of screen on time.
So I guess you're wrong because I don't think my battery is going to tank so much so fast in the next 6 months to the point where I'm going to be carrying a power bank or charging twice per day.
You are also forgetting that battery technology is improving over the years so batteries are able to stay fresher longer then what it was like say 3 or 4 years ago.
Anonymous, 20 Oct 2017As a general guide for those who value screen-on-time and battery life and at the same time wa... moreThe opposing views on this subject had seem irreconcilable before your post. Congratulations.
Anonymous, 20 Oct 2017What I'm saying is, when the battery capacity is between 3000mAh to 3900mAh, its the same inco... moreAs a general guide for those who value screen-on-time and battery life and at the same time want their phones to last them at least 2 years without battery issues (multiple charging a day due to reduced capacity from battery age/wear and tear), these are what buyers should consider: 1. Do not buy a phone with less than 3000mAh battery even if it has removable battery. More so if it has sealed battery. The frequency with which you charge such a very low capacity battery even when new is not worth the inconvenience. After a year when its battery will have lost some capacity, you will be likely buying a new battery if it is removable, or replacing the phone if battery is non removable, or become always tethered to the wall or powerbank if you stick with the phone with worn out battery. 2. If you must buy a phone with less than 4000mAh battery, make sure it has at least 3000mAh and is removable. 3000mAh - 3900mAh batteries do not require charging on most days for most users if the battery is new and if you start the day with close to 100% charge. However, after about a year and a half or so, the loss in battery capacity will be significant so as to cause inconvenience (having to carry the charger or powerbank daily). It gets worse by the second year and beyond so a removable battery is highly recommended for this 3000mAh - 3900mAh capacity bracket unless you plan to replace phones every 1.5 to 2.0 years. 3. 4000mAh or higher battery capacity is best. The reason is because 99.9% of the time, you won't need to bring your charger or powerbank when the battery is new and even when the battery is 2 years old. The large capacity means that even if you lose some of it through wear and tear, it will still last you most days of the week even after 2-3 years of use, not like those with lower capacities. So as you can see, not many manufacturers offer removable batteries or put 4000mAh sealed batteries on flagship phones because they want you to buy new phones every 1.5 years or so.
AnonD-708523, 17 Oct 2017i want a camera phone.are lg g4 and v10 still worth to buy in this year i heard this 2 phn cam... moreG4 has the best camera ever. V20 is very good but not as good. They are both 16 Mp sensors BUT G4 is native 16:9 sensor and V20 is 4:3, therefore if you prefer 16:9 shots, you will end on around 12 Mp with V20. V20 has additional 8Mp wide-angle, fixed focus at the back - it is fun only when there is enough light.
Selfie cam is also better on G4 (8Mp vs 5Mp), but V20 has wide angle capability which helps you put more people/objects in one pic. Depends on what you want.
Anonymous, 20 Oct 2017Between a sealed battery phone with 3900mAh or less battery capacity and another one with a li... moreWhat I'm saying is, when the battery capacity is between 3000mAh to 3900mAh, its the same inconvenience for me as I will either ALWAYS bring a charger/powerbank (if non-removable battery phone model), or a spare battery (if removable battery phone model). Actually, the removable battery option is slightly better as it is lighter. At 4000mAh or higher however, I would gladly recommend a sealed battery phone over a removable battery one with a capacity just barely above 3000mAh.
Anonymous, 18 Oct 2017Did you even read my post? A value battery life meaning I just want the longest possible batt... moreBetween a sealed battery phone with 3900mAh or less battery capacity and another one with a little more than 3000mAh but removable battery, (specs and features nearly identical or comparable), I'll pick the one with 3000mAh removable battery anytime. The reason is because anything less than 4000mAh forces me to always carry a bulky powerbank or charger with me everytime as there is 50% chance for me it will not make it through the day based on my usage habits. Between always bringing a small fully charged spare battery or a charger/powerbank everyday, I'll choose the spare battery anytime because it is so much lighter and pocketable. Once a phone's battery reaches 4000mAh or higher capacity however, it is likely to get me through a full day 99.9% of the time and so the convenience of not needing to carry a spare battery, powerbank or charger everyday becomes more convenient for me. Also, the high battery capacity means that even if it is sealed, it wont have infuriating capacity reduction or on screen time reduction within at least 2 years of use. Not so with those flagships with sealed batteries having much less than 4000mAh. They are practically planned obsolescence. Won't recommend buying them unless you plan changing phone models annually or unless you are OK with charging them 3-4x a day when their sealed batteries wear out.
AnonD-587010, 19 Oct 2017LG v20 vs LG g6 vs Samsung A7 2017?LG V20. I just bought it last month and its been great and its a good buy since you can get it in a lower price because of the availability of the LG V30. Performance wise its good, camera is great with full manual control and has good mics on board too. 2nd screen is quite useful in my opinion but this really depends on you. Another point is that it has metal back instead of glass so you only need to worry the display part. Just put on a tempered glass and you'll be fine. The only thing you need is to invest in an extra battery or a power bank if you use your phone alot since its battery does not last long. The choice is yours and happy purchasing :)
Heres a better gasoline anology.
You buy a new car and enjoy it very much. a couple of years later the gas tank gets damaged from some road debris. "no big deal, ill just take it down to the mechanics and have a new one put in" you say this to yourself because replacing the tank is a fraction of the value of the car. The mechanic informs you that your new car has a unreplaceable gas tank because of "marketing reasons". You now have to go buy an entirely new car.
Same exact things with phones, the batterys wear out rendering them unusable, in as short as a year or two depending on usage. previously you could replace the battery for a tiny fraction of the cost of the phone. now you have to buy an entirely new phone.
Anonymous, 18 Oct 2017I also don't want to resort to some third party battery extender that makes the phone super th... moreThe gasoline analogy is a stupid one as I do not know anyone who brings an extra can on their car.
GTab Active 2 is waterproof with removable battery. Guess one less excuse for the sealed crap.
People want thin phones but then purchase a thick ugly case to cover it. Very funny.
Anonymous, 18 Oct 2017It's personal opinion. I'd rather have a G6 because even though they have the same screen siz... moreLg v20 vs g6
v20 dac is better
more internal storage
G6 wireless charging(not really a deal breaker i mean its jsut to charge the device)
waterproof unless you are aquaman and swim with phones
speed is basically the same as the 821 is just to accomodate power efficiency, trust me i used both these devices and I would never trade my v20 for a G6, mayb for a v30 yes, the v range is more content creators choice, its to create content, G6 is for show, its not utility device, you can do less with a g6 than what you could do witha v20, but the choice is yours.
Anonymous, 18 Oct 2017I also don't want to resort to some third party battery extender that makes the phone super th... moreYour opinion about this matter is valuable but not for me. The V20 simply is the best phone that I ever owned because is perfectly matched to my use.
Rimac , 18 Oct 2017Removable battery mean, among other advantages, open choices as bigger batteries than the seal... moreI also don't want to resort to some third party battery extender that makes the phone super thick, super heavy and looks like a brick. Ridiculous. Most consumers don't want this, either, and there are such cases with built in batteries for phones with sealed batteries, too.
Stop suggesting all these ridiculous band-aid solutions. Like buying a car that guzzles gas so bad you keep an extra can of gas in the trunk. Can't you at least admit that just maybe if battery life is important then just maybe the v20 isn't the best phone? Can you?
Anonymous, 18 Oct 2017Did you even read my post? A value battery life meaning I just want the longest possible batt... moreRemovable battery mean, among other advantages, open choices as bigger batteries than the sealed bodies has.
Alazay, 18 Oct 2017G6 is not better than the v20, snapdragon 821 is the same as 820 just a slight bump in clock ... moreIt's personal opinion. I'd rather have a G6 because even though they have the same screen size the G6 is smaller and the battery life is much better. I'd want the one with wireless charging though as I have no need for a DAC. Also the wide angle camera on the G6 is better.
Alazay, 18 Oct 2017G6 is not better than the v20, snapdragon 821 is the same as 820 just a slight bump in clock ... moreDid you even read my post? A value battery life meaning I just want the longest possible battery life off a single charge without needing to carry around power banks OR extra batteries. Get it?
The v20 doesn't have good battery life and just because you can swap batteries still doesn't make it right. I also want a car that gets good gas mileage so I'm not always having to stop at the gas station.