SteveFOX, 09 May 2020You guys with the headphone jacks are giving me a good laugh. Real reasons not to buy the ph... moreWhen you start making money for me then I'll take your advice on how to spend my money or which phones I should be interested in. Until then, your opinion and key reasons for not purchasing a phone are yours and yours only. If you don't like the opinions of others then feel free to ignore them.
RishiGuru, 09 May 2020These companies have carefully re-evaluated the scenario and then ditched the headphone jack. ... moreI blame Apple. They were the ones that started this stupid trend of removing the headphone jack in order to profit from dongle and wireless headphone sales. Other companies started following suit because they saw Apple's strategy was working. So long as people continue to buy phones without a headphone jack and buy accessories (such as dongles and/or wireless headphones), this trend will continue. I want no part of it. That's why I have never and will never purchase a phone without a headphone jack or those accessories.
Anonymous, 08 May 2020oh that famous lg....old b.t.l.p problem
LG velevet with sd765 price 735$
& Rog 2
171... moreYou mean LG and bootloops? They are already solved. Only a kinda recent one when you had tmobile and the G7 ThinQ.
I also have a bootlooping Samsung tablet, It occures after a software uodate, was barely able to use my tablet for 4 months, and it still started bootlooping when battery js beliw 15% (doesnt matter if it is charging or not). Don't blame only LG.
All recwnt phones are shit, I think I will keep my G7 for another year. V60 is too big and doesnt have a telephote cam (at least i rhought so). But I'm not giving up my jack! And SD card expension! F*@k manufactuares nowadays
You guys with the headphone jacks are giving me a good laugh.
Real reasons not to buy the phone
No OIS on any camera
Only Chinese firmware gets support (but good one, even 4-5 year old budget phones still receive updates, but not an Android version update).
If you are only in it for the Android version upgrades buy Nokia phones, but those are pretty poor technically.
joe nodden, 09 May 2020Ok so in other words like I said earlier, "And wouldn't that mean it really doesn't charge at ... moreAs they said during the conference, the charging efficiency is up to 97%, which means you can charge 50% in half an hour.
Crackling Doom, 08 May 2020If their audio business will go bankrupt as a result of including a 3.5mm headphone jack on th... moreThese companies have carefully re-evaluated the scenario and then ditched the headphone jack. You find now many posts where people says audio jacks are obsolete. This is because Apple and Samsung have already successfully brainwashed these people which makes them think the audio jack is obsolete. Many other manufacturer like Meizu, OnePlus, Nokia, Oppo, Huawei, Google are now joining this fleet which will eventually lead to a day where no flagships will have audio jacks.
As of now I can find only three companies proudly holding on with audio jack with their flagships, LG, Asus and Vivo. And iQOO the sub-brand of Vivo.
Rk100, 09 May 2020You are correct, energy cannot be created nor destroyed but changes from one form to another, ... moreOk so in other words like I said earlier, "And wouldn't that mean it really doesn't charge at a true 30 watts because that extra wattage is being wasted?"
joe nodden, 08 May 2020Ok so if the battery is taking it in slower and the charge is still 30 watts doesn't that mean... moreYou are correct, energy cannot be created nor destroyed but changes from one form to another, but i believe that the testing which produced the results may have been done under cooler circumstances, correct me if i am wrong.
Rk100, 08 May 2020Because it heavily depends on the intake of the battery, some batteries may take it slower tha... moreOk so if the battery is taking it in slower and the charge is still 30 watts doesn't that mean the wasted wattage is being turned into heat. Because according to the law of conservation of energy, that wattage doesn't just vanish if it's being used. And it most certainly isn't being held in the circuitry for the battery to take in at its slower rate. So it has to be turned into heat in that scenario. And wouldn't that mean it really doesn't charge at a true 30 watts because that extra wattage is being wasted? And if it wasn't overheating wouldn't that mean it's not charging at 30 watts?
I'm no electrotechnician so do explain if I'm wrong here.
joe nodden, 08 May 2020Wait a minute... this has a 4500 mAh battery and charges at 30W. The OnePlus 8 Pro has a 4510 ... moreBecause it heavily depends on the intake of the battery, some batteries may take it slower than others while other are built to take in as fast as possible. So no they aren't lying, tech is different everywhere.
RishiGuru, 08 May 2020Apple intentionally stopped including analogue 3.5 mm audio jacks on their devices, as they fo... moreThe thing with Meizu is they're not in a position to be ripping people off like that, if I have to choose between this and K30Pro it's hands down K30Pro.
RishiGuru, 08 May 2020I was right, Meizu 17 & 17 Pro does not have a 3.5 mm audio jack. But that was quite under... moreIf their audio business will go bankrupt as a result of including a 3.5mm headphone jack on their phones then their current audio business model sucks and they need to re-evaluate their audio business. People shouldn't be forced to shell out extra money for something that should be a standard feature on today's phones.
I, honestly, will have no pity if their weak audio business goes bankrupt.
Wait a minute... this has a 4500 mAh battery and charges at 30W. The OnePlus 8 Pro has a 4510 mAh battery and charges at 30W. So why does the 8 Pro charge 50% in 23 minutes, when this can only do 45% in 30 minutes? Are they lying?
Anonymous, 08 May 2020if you wanna 3.5mm jack + fm radio choose a second device.
go & buy 105$ phones
None o... moreApple intentionally stopped including analogue 3.5 mm audio jacks on their devices, as they found a way to earn more revenue by selling 3.5 mm audio adapter dongles and headphones. May I put this to light that Apple was the first manufacturer which started including the 3.5 mm audio jacks on their iPhones a decade back and claimed they are following a revenue free universal standard where you plug in ANY headphone.
Apple has a closed loop eco-system, they earn from every third party that manufactures accessory for their proprietary products. And this includes any kind of adapters & headphones to their devices having proprietary ports. You have to understand the bigger picture. Apple, Samsung, Sony, Oneplus, Huawei or for the name any manufacturer are here to do business. They will take every measure possible to earn more revenue from their customer.
Any audio enthusiast or an audiophile will laugh at anybody who says 3.5 mm audio jack is obsolete. Because they understand audio and seen $10,000 audio equipment that outputs through the 3.5 mm or quarter inch audio jacks connected to $5000 over-the-ear audiophile-grade open-back headphones. Audio is analogue, because human ears are analogue and hence the audio jack is analogue.
The question you may very well ask, why other manufactures are following the same trend? Well because they now understand there is a new scope to earn more revenue and they are following this trend my making their own branded dongles and stuff. For example Meizu now have their own audio dongle which you now need to buy for their flagships like Meizu 17 or Meizu 17 Pro. They are all forcing the customer to go the audio dongle and bluetooth headphones way (Meizu just launched their HD60 bluetooth headphones) thus earning more revenue. A valid and very effective business model.
The next question is, why all these manufacturers except Apple are not doing this for their mid range devices? Well bcoz removing the 3.5 mm audio jack on their mid-range devices will turn off their specific group of "cash cow" customers who are very price sensitive and not willing to pay an extra $20 for a cheap audio dongle. These customers have 50 other options to buy a phone with 3.5 mm audio jack and they will rather choose those.
This very well cements the fact that till today their is a HUGE demand for 3.5 mm audio jack. Hence all manufactures are currently targeting to fool the deep pocket buyers who are ready to pay $500+ for their flagship phone and won't not mind shelling $50 more for the Meizu audio dongle or pay $100 for each of their bluetooth headphones with their own brand names. Or in case of Apple, demand money to the manufacturer of such headphone & dongles.
In the end it's all about doing business.
So they put a hole in the screen to get literally less than a percent higher of a screen to body ratio. If that isn't one of the worst decisions I've ever seen a design team make I don't know what is.
One of the few worse decisions made by a design team is the removal of the headphone jack. Why. There's literally no reason to remove it.
Anonymous, 08 May 2020No headphone jack, no buy.I was right, Meizu 17 & 17 Pro does not have a 3.5 mm audio jack. But that was quite understandable as their audio dongle business will go out of business if they included one. Also now they launched their own branded bluetooth ANC headphones so they will avoid using headphone jacks in their phones and compell buyers to buy their bluetooth headphones. They need to suck more money from the consumers in the God forsaken Apple ways. Just like Apple bought Beats audio and Samsung bought JBL. And then they strategically removed the headphone jack to make more money.
Now every owner of 17 & 17 Pro need to separately buy a USB to 3.5 mm audio dongle. Also to note on previous Meizu flagships 16s & 16s Pro the audio output through USB was pure digital signal. In one way that is good as your dongle/adapter will have complete control on audio quality but bad in the sense the dongle will now be expensive as digital to analog conversion & its hardware needs to be done in the dongle.
The last Meizu flagship that had our beloved 3.5 mm audio jack was Meizu 16th (Meizu 16 in China) back in 2018 with SD845. Having bought one in 2019 @ $240 extremely happy with price performance ratio and the built quality. Audio on my 16th through audio jack is great, far superior than anything Samsung & Huawei have done till date. Only LG can beat Meizu in audio department. The dual stereo speakers on 16th is great I hope in 17 Pro it is even better.
The Meizu 17 Pro will have the same ceramic looking back as that of my Meizu 16th. It gives great looks and my 16th ceramic black is the best black a phone can have.
Worst specs in 2020 this one has nothing exciting to make u buy it except for cpu and gbu.