josh, 02 Aug 2009these 3rd generation dual leds are strong and good enough for night time photgraphy, they have... moredont post stupid comments. do you watch football ?? its just like saying Newcastle United are stronger than Man Utd or like saying Heinze is better than Ronaldo
Anonymous, 02 Aug 2009And the Innov8 still has the upper-hand over the N86. Better luck next time, Nokia.ummmmmmmmmm inavate is left behind!
siraj, 02 Aug 2009it proves xenon is defeated bcoz of 3rd gen LED :D Nokia Rockzthese 3rd generation dual leds are strong and good enough for night time photgraphy, they have taken over the xenon,
xenon is old flash know!
The N86's wide angle lens , variable aperture and larger sensor are all geared to provide much better photo quality , but the only instance in which it pips the current 8MP king , the INNOV8 , is on night shots . So yes , in a way , Nokia is trying to highlight how far they can go without Xenon , but for a cameraphone of this caliber , the omission of a Xenon flash is appalling. Coupled with a Xenon flash , this phone could have made waves in the cameraphone hierarchy , much the same way the N82 had done 2 years ago .. but sadly , Nokia decides to stick to the LED bandwagon . Which is sad. I am gonna keep my N82 , and get the Satio when it comes out.
Nokia has to learn to stop exploiting its clients , and should try to give them what they want. After all , we are the ones paying.
Anonymous, 31 Jul 2009Digital cameras use Zenon flash but...
we're talking about camera Phones, phones with cameras... moreYes, we're talking about a camera phone
A camera phone that could've been perfect, but was just lacking one big factor.
It's a phone with an accessory, but I, like many others here, like the accessory to be as great as possible.
It's people like you, with your indifferent mindsets, that hinder technology advances / breakthroughs.
i try to not use blitz xenon or led light anymore,because they burn faces. All i know is that for 1-3 meters my n86 have enaugh power to light up a scene,without burning faces. What is so important blitz now? I don't use it. I use night mode for natural illumination. Or iso 1600 at photo camera
And the Innov8 still has the upper-hand over the N86. Better luck next time, Nokia.
Admit it...if N86 has xenon flash it could have been in the spotlight just like what happened to N82 a year ago. And Nokia wouldn't make a noise.
I just noticed the trend:
When the N95 (slider phone) was announced, the N82 (a candybar phone) was announced a year later, bearing almost identical features of the N95 with the addition only of Xenon flash and some tweaks here and there.
When the N85 (again, a slider) was announced, the N79 (a candybar phone with almost identical feature set of the N85) was simultaneously announced.
So what comes next? Let's play a guessing game! A candybar version of the N86 that has a Xenon following the trend of the N95 & N82? I hope so! I hope a candybar phone with Xenon flash comes next to the N86.
Abe, 01 Aug 2009I think most pictures where more natural taken with the N86 without a flash. The flash in N82 ... moreI rarely use flash in a digital camera too, cause it can make it unatural to the eye!
Anonymous, 01 Aug 2009N86 performs just as well? I really can't agree. I find that almost all of the pictures taken ... morethe nokia n86 has the bigger sensor so what are you talking about??? you really dont know anything about photgraphy, the bigger sensor and the varible apreture is the key point STUPID....
Anonymous, 02 Aug 2009cant you see that about 80 comments complain about the LED flash and you come here to confirm ... moreit comes very close to a reall xenon on a digital camera, do you think nokia would make a mistake like that? they would have not put in these 3rd generation dual leds if they wernt bright enought so SHUT UP ok.....
Anonymous, 01 Aug 2009i chuckle at the world for thinking anything attached to a cellphone camera would make it usab... more"i chuckle at the world for thinking anything attached to a cellphone camera would make it usable...chuckle"
chuckle away tard, cos the world's in outright hysterics laughing right back at you. there are numerous examples of flashes and camera components on cells which make their camera's more than 'useable'. browse the pages you uneducated smug polyp.
Somehow, I managed to find some points which were quite likely hidden into the curtains from the Nokia Conversations demonstration:
1. Alright, let's just say that the LED flash (accompanied by the larger aperture and wider angle of lens) of the N86 is obviously getting closer to the performance of the Xenon flash of the N82. Alright. But still, it is evident in the photos that the light from the LED flash isn't evenly distributed in the entire scene, which is evident in the corner of the photos. Notice how obvious it is that there are dark parts in the corners of the shots taken from the N86 while there were none of those problems on the Xenon-equipped N82.
2. And also, the so-fancy-as-it-sounds AMBR (Automatic Motion Blur Reduction) feature. Well Nokia Conversations, how about some proper demonstration of the effect of it? Noticed how it wasn't tested? I was surprised Nokia left out the demo for this! By claiming that the LED and the wide aperture and angle of lens of the N86 can substitute the Xenon, then why didn't you demonstrate how the AMBR feat work against the freezing effect of the Xenon?
So if those points I raised above still isn't answered or properly addressed, then I don't think Nokia has the right to shout to the world that they managed to prove that LED's can match the performance of Xenon.
RBa, 02 Aug 2009Yeah right. I was also wondering what the heck Nokia are thinking when they released and heavi... moreSorry, I accidentally hit the submit button. Lol
Yeah right. I was also wondering what the heck Nokia are thinking when they released and heavily advertised the N86 as an imaging-savvy device when there is no Xenon. But based on the explanations made by "Damian" of Nokia Conversations, he is partially right. And to those people wondering about Nokia's stance today, well THERE IS STILL a chance for them to release a Xenon-equipped phone. In fact, it was originally planned to be included on the N86. It's just that, the 'designers' of the product didn't agree since the Xenon contributes to the bulkiness of the handset, which I personally think to be a bit odd. We all know that NSeries is no Arte series or other designer phone series right? So why not include Xenon?
Yeah right. I was also wondering what the heck Nokia are thinking when they released and heavily advertised the N86 as an imaging-savvy device when there is no Xenon. But based on the explanations made by "Damian" of Nokia Conversations, he is partially right. And to hose people wondering about Nokia's stance today, well THERE IS STILL