therock, 01 Aug 2009the n86 doesnt need a xenon flash. a bright led flash like the flash on the n95 is good enough.cant you see that about 80 comments complain about the LED flash and you come here to confirm that LED flash is very good !!! even 3rd generation of LED is not near of Xenon and you come here and talk about your N95.
the n95's led flash is bright. im sure the led flash of the n86 will also be bright. Brighter than the led flash of the e71.
the n86 doesnt need a xenon flash. a bright led flash like the flash on the n95 is good enough.
Oh GOD... What happened to NOKIA.. If they cant or not in a mood to add xenon to their phones, then that is not a problem... But what is the need to tell the same lie again and again... Even if 56th generation LED arrives, XENON will be the winner for still photography..
Regarding this presentation, they compared in every page, that @ 3m or above, even with XENON flash the pictures have higher noise... But that was due to lens of N82 (Not Wide-Angle type as in N86) and still color reproduction is better in N82 than N86...
Also We have to note that N86 produces 8MPx images and N82 just 5MPx only... So N86 has more details to avoid the noise in pictures...
Another important area they left out is the still pictures of fast moving objects... N82 or any phone with xenon can capture stills without a blur, but not so in the case of Dual 3rd GENERATION LED equipped N86...
If they want to make an all in one camera phone, then add xenon and Dual LED as done by SE many months back... Then I am sure NOBODY will complain then..
josh, 31 Jul 2009I dont care what gsm arena say ok xenon would have been nice but these 3rd generation dual led... moreN86 performs just as well? I really can't agree. I find that almost all of the pictures taken with the LED flash show horrible vignetting. While the xenon flash produces too harsh shadows, I find that problem to be less severe. IMHO, camera phones are not well suited to low-light photography, and probably never will be. To get good pictures in low light you need large sensors, very luminous high-quality lenses and powerful xenon flashes that can be bounced off walls or ceilings.
I am a great fan of Nokia and I am not all disappointed with their phones without Xenon cause for special occasions, I will still bring my still camera cause the quality is really unbeatable by phone. I only use phone camera for daily photos. Xenon flash is an added bonus though, would like to see Nokia do tat
It is a matter of how many lumens you can get from your flash light.
Right now led lights are a good choice to lower energy consumption, but that's it. There is no comparison when you actually measure how many lumens deliver each type of flash light.
Xenon Flash lumens >> Led Flash lumens
Please don't make any efforts to compensate this obvious difference. Please provide us with good cameraphones.
It's a shame that after the N82, the N96, N97, and N86 the megapixel count and the flash show no respect for nokia fans that have been expecting a LOT MORE FROM NOKIA.
I'm such a Nokia fan but if N86 doesn't need xenon, N86 has no worth as a real camera phone.
How about putting a 3rd generation flash in real cameras now? They just don't need xenon because the majority of cameras are just so much better than a N86.
I'm not buyng N86 now, my N82 still shinning and perfect.
nokia wants to save money so never put in xenon flash for still image xenon flash is important. duel LED is only useful when it comes to near shooting video.
oh and btw-because of that politics of Nokia i'm very lightly going to swap N82 for Satio when it comes out:) Cheers!
All the photo experts can moralise about the noise, the colors, the natural light and all sort of stuff, but a naked eye can see that taking a picture with xenon flash (N82) in a dark room causes to actually see something on a picture and taking a picture with led causes to see nothing. It's not that hard people, just use N868mp in a club and N82 in the same situation. The first sucks, the second one makes at least something to look at. I don't care if it's too bright at least i can see what i was taking picture of. And that's the point. Xenon makes best pictures in low light. And if u need to take pics in the dark, led flash unit is not for u! Period! Regards!
ha ha ha .....nokia doesn't need any xenon... nokia should know that one should preferably avoid discussing issues that are likely to create trouble......
I think most pictures where more natural taken with the N86 without a flash. The flash in N82 tend to overexpose some parts of the picture and the result is not the actual situation at the moment. Also with my Canon camera I take photos without flash whenever possible. N86 has a good camera and well the flash is in my opinion goog enough.
Personaly I believe LED is good enough for mobile camera. However claiming that a 3rd genaration LED can replace xenon is bit of exaggeration.
I had n86 , ah ah . now I have i8510 . i8510 better than n86. lcd , camera,...
xenon flash=kill battery, thats why they dont put xenon on every camera main spec phone they made. ofcus i prefer xenon. just need to give them sometime to balance it
why does everyone think "xenon flash" is so important? Cause its not important natural light is for photography!
xenon = very high shutter speeds (depends on the actual sync and/or the flash device it's self), it only catches 1/60-1/200-... out of a scene with the short burst (you will get pretty high contrast pictures but at list you will get them)
led = continues light - it will have to get a shutter speed according to the distance/scene (in dark rooms you will get very bad ghosting )
for example :
- you can freeze a subject if it isn't light by other strong sources even at 1/20s (or lower) and get some of the background back
- you can freeze even very high speed movement
- you only fire a short burst at the people not a annoying light
- so on ....
in photography it's always better to have strobes lightning (well, in studio product photo you cold be better off with continues lighting (but nobody will do that so ... :) ))
i chuckle at the world for thinking anything attached to a cellphone camera would make it usable...chuckle.