Anonymous, 12 Feb 2015Thank you for the very detailed and factual explanation to help the fanboys understand.
Altho... moreYupp agreed, Lumix CM1 from GSMArena classified MISC phone brands Panasonic will be phone sensor king title, not so for photography king. Reason,
1. No Optical zoom despite 21.1mm thickness, without camera switch on.
2. No pop-up Xenon flash despite the size.
3. Small 4.7" screen
4. Old generation hardware and Android 4.4.4 OS.
5. Not wide angle enough cheap Leica certified F2.8/10.2mm lens. That's only 27.5mm in 35mm camera equavailent.
Btw, iPhone sensor pixel was just at 1.5 micron vs Samsung 1.12 micron. It was really nothing much to shout about how bigger it is, just like HTC crappy M7/8 2 micron pixel size 4MP camera.
A camera performance especially in auto JPEG format format will be limit to overall integration between, Sensor, Lens, Noise Reduction engine, built-in auto smart scene database.
Not so with S6 running Android 5 with camera API Pro mode enabled and able to shoot in RAW format with manual settings really open up lots of shooting great picture possiblity. Or course if you're a Pro photographer, like me, shoot MF/FF DSLR will be the best choice.
Daniel, 12 Feb 2015A phone could combine multiple thin cameras to improve picture quality, much like current HDR ... moreA phone could combine multiple thin cameras to improve picture quality, much like current HDR modes?
You have wrong idea about how HDR mode work, google your best friend though.
Anonymous, 12 Feb 201520 mp is not necessary and anyone that knows about photography will tell you 20mp on a smart p... moreLol... liar always tell one side of a story and hide away the truth thing they don't want people to know.
20MP is not neccessary and uesless was a BIG FAT LIE that some brands and it fans want people to believe.
Upload any 20MP picture to Facebook and Instalgram can already tell you really don't know what you're talking about. I'm a bit lazy, can any other user help me to tell this guy photos about Facebook/Instalgram photos re-sizing?
Using a smartphone camera to shoot wedding photos was another LOL joke of the centuries to me. Do you know what is MF,FF DSLR? Well assuming you're not even an amateur photographer (a picture taker more likely), I would not go into details the different between DSLR sensor and the tiny little smartphone camera sensor.
With higher MegaPixels count camera, it will give you a FREE OPTICAL ZOOM at no extra cost when you crop the pictures.
For example a picture at 20MP (est. 5160x 3870),
20MP cropped to 5MP (2580x1935), that's about 2x free optical zoom.
20MP cropped to 2MP (1600x1200), that's about 3x free optical zoom.
20MP cropped to 1.2MP (1290x968), that's about 4x free optical zoom.
For printing great photos @ 300dpi,
20MP = 17.2" x 12.9" print
5MP = 8.6" x 6.45" print
2MP = 5.33" x 4" print
1.2MP = 4.3" x 3.22" print
Ok I know that's some odd inches number and all may get confuss for common print we print at photo shops. Maybe I quoted the regular inches number with pixels/dimensions needed for great 300dpi photo.
3R, 3½ × 5" (9x13cm) = 1050x1500 pixels (1.6MP)
4R, 4 × 6" (10x15cm) = 1200x1800 pixels (2.1MP)
5R, 5 × 7" (13x18cm) = 1500x2100 pixels (3.1MP)
6R, 6 × 8" (15x20cm) = 1800x2400 pixels (4.3MP)
8R, 8 x 10" (20x25cm) = 2400x3000 pixels (7.2MP)
S8R, 8 × 12" (A4, 20x30cm) = 2400x3600 pixels (8.6MP)
If you have a inkjet printer that print image excellently, you can use 250dpi or even 200 dpi to print larger print and the photos still look very nice under naked eyes. Example printing a nice 4R/5R6R/8R under 200dpi printer setting
4R, 4 × 6" (10x15cm) = 800x1200 pixels (0.96MP)
5R, 5 × 7" (13x18cm) = 1000x1400 pixels (1.4MP)
6R, 6 × 8" (15x20cm) = 1200x1600 pixels (1.9MP)
8R, 8 x 10" (20x25cm) = 1600x2000 pixels (3.2MP)
Anonymous, 12 Feb 2015The problem with Apple's sensors is not especially that they're 8 MP, it's that they're relati... moreA phone could combine multiple thin cameras to improve picture quality, much like current HDR modes, but with no delay that currently may cause blur.
Up close, where the lens-to-lens distance would matter, one small sensor and some good LED light is usually sufficient.
Anonymous, 12 Feb 2015Don't mind all these trolls. Samsung has proven year after year, they have the best photo qual... moreWell I mean technically Nokia has had a lead most of the time.... but basically only them.
Don't mind all these trolls. Samsung has proven year after year, they have the best photo quality. Keep up the good work!
Anonymous, 12 Feb 2015The problem with Apple's sensors is not especially that they're 8 MP, it's that they're relati... moreThank you for the very detailed and factual explanation to help the fanboys understand.
Although two points.
1. Panasonic has a phone with a 20MP 1 inch sensor. 2.6um pixels. Pretty sure it's the new phone photography king.
2. What you said about the iPhone is correcr. Accept two things. They slightly save themselves by having larger pixels and somewhat more advanced image processing compared to most other phones.
Anonymous, 12 Feb 2015The problem with Apple's sensors is not especially that they're 8 MP, it's that they're relati... moreI'm not sure what planet you're on, but even GSMARENA hail the iPhone as the best camera phone in the 8mpx range.
Now, in terms of quality - and I own one - it's fantastic. Is it better than the Samsung's and Sony's? Nope. Is it worse? Nope.
Apple have been sticking to the 8mpx solution for a number of reasons I think, and it may change with the next model.
Smaller file size is the main advantage, and as the majority of users share images via social media exclusively, photos don't need to be excessively large as they'll get compressed anyway.
As phone storage and bandwidth increase, I'm sure Apple will up it to at least 13mpx in the future, but I'm not surprised if they take their time.
Sarabdal, 12 Feb 2015Not really,have you seen dxo mark ranking and other sites,GS5 is definitely better than 808 an... moreThat's just bogus fanboy crap. And dxplace is not as reputable as people think. Even putting iphone ahead of 1020. However they didn't put s5 ahead of 1020.
But some tests did show s5 had some interesting tricks and edged the 1020 in some things.
Sadly while the 1020 and 808 were the kings PurView is not as advanced as everyone thinks.
And they have been dethroned by Panasonic. Here's to hoping Nokia/Microsoft have a good successor coming.
AnonD-312360, 11 Feb 2015I know its not about the pixel count. So whats the premise here... that beyond 8mp a camera ca... moreThe problem with Apple's sensors is not especially that they're 8 MP, it's that they're relatively small 1/3 sensors. It's the inferior physical size that makes them incapable of anything better than medicore photogrpahy (for a cell phone). This is old technology. The first phone with a 1/3 sensor was the Nokia N93, almost nine years ago--that's when a 1/3 sensor was cutting edge.
In contrast, Samsung has been putting larger 1/2.5 sensors in their flagship phones. This is not exactly new technology, since the six year old Nokia N86 had a 1/2.5 sensor, but still, it's better than everything else out there. Only Sony has also used sensors this size, with 1/2.3 sensors in the Z1, Z2, Z3. And HTC just announce there will be a 1/2.4 sensor in the M9.
That's it, everyone else use crappy 1/3 sensors that are nine year old technology. Or even more crappy tiny 1/4 sensors.
There is of course one (and only one) big exception to this, which is the Nokia flagship phone cameras. The five year old Nokia N8 had a huge 1/1.8 sensor. The three year old Nokia 808 had what is still the best sensor ever put in a phone, a 1/1.2 sensor. And the year and a half old Nokia 1020 has a very large 1/1.5 sensor, which remains second only to the 808. These phones are completely in a class by themselves.
Physical sensor size (not MP) pretty much trumps everything. Larger sensors capture more light, have better color, and better resolved detail. There's no way to get around this. You can screw up a large sensor (Sony's Z flagship phones with 1/2.3 sensors have been a bit of a disappointment). But you can't make a mediocre 1/3 sensor like in the iPhones less mediocre than it is. The sensor size is the ultimate limiting factor.
And given Apple's obession with thinness, it going to be hard to ever get a larger sensor in a iPhone (unless they're willing to accept a significant camera hump). There are physical laws that govern the optics and distance between the lens and sensor--as sensors get larger, the lens needs to be further from it (meaning a thicker camera module). Apple has clearly decided that thinness is more important than sensor quality. And they probably figure with a bunch of post-processing they can fool most of their users into not noticing the difference.
alan, 11 Feb 2015no match for Nokia/Microsoft Pureview technology, no match.Not really,have you seen dxo mark ranking and other sites,GS5 is definitely better than 808 and lumia 1020 especially in automatic,good luck to crappy yellow tinted shots of lumia 1020.
Anonymous, 11 Feb 2015Well, a good copy is Always save bet while Sony Always invent better real modules.
So good ... moreHaha.. Sony also copy from others and was the worst copy which give you very limited camera features, no wonder their Mobile division keep loosing money for many quarters. Also Sony keep down sizing, cut and lose some of their R&D personnel, now they are others brands R&D personnel. Anyway these people life don't own by Sony, just like Apple, Google Microsoft people so they are free to join any company.
Good luck to your brokenly baked and taste bad Sony sensor. In one hand, Sony invented some premature modules, well Samsung at the other hand, make best phone camera sensor for their phones especially their flagship series.
Anonymous, 12 Feb 201520 mp is not necessary and anyone that knows about photography will tell you 20mp on a smart p... moreThe one inch sensor Panasonic phone with 20MP 2.6um pixels is not so useless.
And while I have already said myself I'd rather see larger pixels on a larger sensor even if smaller pixel count.
However overkill as it may be it will still be among the best of phone cameras. Thus is a Galaxy.
But marketing it is none the less.
20 mp is not necessary and anyone that knows about photography will tell you 20mp on a smart phone is out right useless. MP count also does not represent the quality of the photo. amateur photographs will take their photos either 4 or 8 megapixels. Higher resolution is needed for 2 things
If they are printing a big photo for whatever reason (a huge size portrait, or a poster of some sort)
or if they need it for editing,such as a wedding photo, then they will go to around 16 mp or higher. At this point 20 mp on a smartphone is laughable, photos will be 12 megs in size, and unnecessary since the quality from the lense is almost useless.
your seriusly going to upload a 20 mp camera onto your instagram or facebook? no one is going to tell the difference, Samsung using their specs grab again to try to lure the clueless people into thinking their phone has the best camera.
AnonD-362697, 11 Feb 2015Lol i think you have not used the iPhone camera first go hands on and then tell me i have note... moreExcept no. Then you haven't or you are bias. The Note 4 will hands down win in most regular scenarios. The i6 has an edge in lowlight, but not a clear lead in all cases.
Lol i think you have not used the iPhone camera first go hands on and then tell me i have note 4 and iph 6 there is no comparison iph got more accurate colors and night focusing ability. The flash is just perfect in low light conditions and autofocus is simply brilliant
Appleman, 11 Feb 2015its not about the pixel count. its the lenses. And as reviews have shown the Iphone 6/6+ has g... moreI know its not about the pixel count. So whats the premise here... that beyond 8mp a camera cannot be good?? See dude you have to accept its been 4 generations of 8mp goodness of the forbidden fruit and they simply will not change, on the other hand for eg like a factor on screen size, finally they came up with a bigger deal isnt it. And when they will come around the 8mp milestone sometime in future thats when there will be hullabaloo about what a dramtic change is it!
What are you talking.. almost every tech review have said that iphone camera is behind main rivals.. and lets be frank.... BY A LOT. it does perform well for 8mp, but it is nowhere near samsung 16mp cameras in sgs5 or note4. It is even behind sony with terrble software, and stupid ultra pixel 4mp camera from HTC. It is still fair mediocre shooter, but not more