JonHolstein, 02 Jul 2015The 1030 or 1040, or whatever we dream of will never happen. The LG G4 and the Samsung S6 res... moreAnd tgen again you talk, but what for? Have you ever opened those images into their full resolution? I start to think that NOPE! If you look at a picture 40% of it's resolution (cause well, this is pretty much how monitors work), you may think: Wow samdung bets nokia. Well, open an 5mpx of the mighty 1020 in it's full resolution and then come here and say that competition caches up. It might, for the weak eye. For editors and croopers it is nothing but an ok picture. An would you people stop bragging with slim? You all brag, hey it is slim but buy 3 cm fat cases to protect their sorry a** build quality (banding or cracking from minor falls). Just stop these nonsense. I rather have a thiker phone that does not need an ugly case. Get over with. I need quality, stop forcing this companies to creat slim nothings just for you to buy some cases. Geez.
JonHolstein, 03 Jul 2015Actually it's MS that claims to have alien technology (or rather it was Nokia). They made it ... moreYou talk like somebody that never touched this mobile phones. First they capture 38mpx details cause the sensor it self is a 41. Mpx has to do with quality but not that much as allot of people think. With 1020 you can even get 38 mpx raw format that you can edit to it's guta. So please stop talking nonsense. If you know how to work a camera, you juat can't call samsung in front of this devices. Cause samsung in front of them is like a point and shut in front of DSLR. An DSLR in automode is not that great in front of a point and shot. Hack some new point and shot cameras do better. But what makes an DSLR? Well this big boy is not for people that think they know them all and actually know nothing but specs;). If you take an dslr just to shut some family auto's is more then dumb. They are made for customization and with that comes what you see, quality! Every scene needs it's own settings, so this big boy is 100% used in manual mode cause in auto is pretty much doing the same mistakes as all cameras. So, before comming here with samdung and lg keep this in mind. There are people who bought this devices cause they can play with them way more then you can play with your "quality" samsungs, which i don't see how they come up front cause zooming throigh their photos i see only pixels and loose quality. But well, each biased with his own.
JonHolstein, 03 Jul 2015What zooming capables are you talking about. Do you think it will feature optical zoom? Th... morePeople interested in photography would not mind the thickness. It can be as thick as 808, people will buy if it is ahead of competition
JonHolstein, 03 Jul 2015What zooming capables are you talking about.
Do you think it will feature optical zoom?
Th... moreYes dude, I was talking about 12x digital zoom. Currently lumia 1020 supports 6X digital zoom on microsoft camera software and that is the max possible. Beyond that the image doesnt look usable at all. Resolved details will be more if they use 1 inch sensor. Also, software has to be optimized more. Apple software is the biggest example. With their tiny sensor 1/3" they can pull out details that others do with 1/2.3" sensor. Adding optical zoom will be a big benefit.If they reduce pixel or sensor size then it will a debacle for them. They can go for 3X optical zoom and 4X digital zoom. I am just thinking if apples alogirthms are used for 1" sensor then how much details can resolved! If they optimize their software to that level then surely it will be another milestone just like 808 pureview in 2012. Not to forget what G4 can do with smaller sensor.
So a little hardware change and more software optimization, microsoft can create that big difference
Anonymous, 02 Jul 2015resolved details will be better than note4/s6 because of the new software. Lumia 1020 doesnt h... moreWhat zooming capables are you talking about.
Do you think it will feature optical zoom?
The Samsung galaxy S4 Zoom and K Zoom both had 10x optical zoom. 12x might be a record for mobiles, however.
But optical zoom means you have to compromise in other areas. Using the same sensor plus zoom, would make the device very very thick.
And there still would have to be compromises made to the apreature size. Meaning the sensor would get even less light, and thus capturing even less details (and seeing how 16 megapixel modules in other mobiles have cought up, that is likely to lead to it falling a bit behind in terms of caputred details).
If you are talking about the crop-zoom technology that 1020 is using.
Well, than the amount of caputred detail is the key.
If you dont capture more details that the competition, you cant zoom more. Sure, Samsung and LG might no call it zooming, but if you open the image in the imaging editor on your phone, and then crop the image (cut out a part of it), you will end up with a picture, that like on the 1020 has cut out things you didn't want to "Zoom" in on, and leave you with a "zoomed" image. In reality all you get is a part of the whole, but it will help people looking at the picture to see just the detail you want them to see. That is how the 1020 did it's zooming, and like I say, you can to the same thing on the competition, although it's not called the same.
If they do give it optical zoom, and dont want image quality to fall too far behind competiotion they will not offer more than 3x-4x of optical zoom. But keep in mind, if they dont change the sensor for something smaller, it will still be even thicker than the 1020.
gab, 02 Jul 2015dude what are you talking about, you sound as if nokia/microsoft is stuck in the middle ages w... moreActually it's MS that claims to have alien technology (or rather it was Nokia).
They made it seem like they could capture 36 Megapixels with the 808 and 1020. That was far from true. To be able to do that, they need future alien tech, for both the sensor, and the optics.
LG and Samsung has much lower resolutions on their modules, and captures as much details. They have no alien future tech, they dont capture more resolution than their sensors can, actually, they still caputre less details. It's the 1020, that is so very far from capturing 36 Megapixels of details.
MS is not stuck.
But LG, Samsung and Sony has spent a lot on improving their mobile camera tech, the last few years, much more than they did before the 1020 was released.
That makes it very hard for MS, to get ahead, the competition is tougher this time around.
To get ahead, they will have to keep the size disadvantage. And they will most likely still not get as far ahead as they once were. So even less people will be willing to compromise by buying the much thicker MS phone.
Plus MS is facing very tough competition from the Pro-compact market.
It's hard to convince entusiasts to get a thick smartphone. when they can instead get a thin smartphone, and a not very thick pro compact camera. A camera that not only beats MS offering, in every aspect imaging performance, like dynamic range, noise levels, resolved details, but also got optical Zoom (and built in technology to trasfer images to your phone).
gab, 02 Jul 2015dude what's your point?the lumia 1030 and the S6/G4 you will cater to 2 different user bases, ... moreIt's not in anyway given that the 1030 will blow any out the competition out of the waters.
It's very difficult to stay as much ahead, if ahead at all, when the competition, gives it's best.
Imaging wasn't as important when the 1020 lanuched, so they could get well ahead of the competition.
But as you can see with todays mobile cameras, with only half the resolution, matching or even beating the 1020. So the 1020 could not even make use of half of those pixels when it came to capturing actual detail.
The competition didn't have to catch up in terms of resolution, not by far.
If MS dares to lower the resolution, but keeping the sensor size. Yes, they could be able to blow the competition out of the waters, when it comes to imaging.
But it was much easier to make headlines, when they could brag about resolution.
It's hard to make headlines with biggest pixels ever in a mobile. Most people will have no idea what that means.
Anonymous, 02 Jul 2015resolved details will be better than note4/s6 because of the new software. Lumia 1020 doesnt h... moreResolved detail can be a software thing, yes.
But when it comes to the 1020, it's unlikely that you can get much more out of it than you already do. They have keept processing fairly light on it. They did the best they could. And that doesnt really change.
Yes MS can develop new hardware. They could perhaps get crosstalk between pixels down a little. Perhaps improve the noise levels over all. And improve dynamics.
Compared to the 1020.
But there are two big issues. Since the competition isnt standing still, they are highly unlikely to get as far ahead. Imaging has become an important part, in a way it wasnt when the 1020 was released. The competition will not be caught off guard.
The other issue is that with todays technology, there is a limit to what you can achieve in terms of resolution with the small optics used in mobiles. And as it stands, it's far below the resolution of even the 1020. And as we can see. Mobiles with half the resolution captures at least as much details.
upping the resolution wont bring any benefits. And staying with the same resolution, will still not mean that they will be that much ahead of the competition, if all, when it comes to the amount of captured details.
The best move they could do, is to go down in resolution, keep the sensor size, and thus increasing the pixel size. That should give them a clear advantage when it comes to low light performance and dynamic range.
But bringing the pixels count down to sane values (where they can actually take advantage of all the pixels), will loose them their bragging right when it comes to resolution.
Anonymous, 02 Jul 2015"One can dream, but one should not overlook S6/Note4 And G4, just because they don't look... moreMost of the performance decrease I've seen in android has been because the apps has grown. They keep doing so with every update, on android.
But that affects that app in specific.
I havent seen any significant difference in the built in camera app. Not in startup and not in app performance.
But sure, if you don't have that much RAM, you might run in to issues, as the google play services app grows all the time, as well. But if you buy a high end device, they often come with plenty of RAM, so you will be safe for a few years.
But why are you talking speedy camera performance and windows. The 1020 never gained any reputation of beeing speedy, so those looking for that, has never looked at that phone.
MS would have to work hard to convince people they can get speedy camera performance with the 1030.
The lousy performance of the 1020 had nothing to do with the OS, but it's still that legacy MS has to deal with.
We are talking high end devices here, cause that is what the 1030 would be. And if you buy a high end android device, you wont be running in to any performance issues when it comes to the built in camera, at least not for several of years. You might not be able to play the latest and greatest games as well as newer phones, but that is a very different story compared to using the built in camera app.
JonHolstein, 02 Jul 2015The 1030 or 1040, or whatever we dream of will never happen. The LG G4 and the Samsung S6 res... moredude what are you talking about, you sound as if nokia/microsoft is stuck in the middle ages while samsung/LG uses futuristic alien technology. whatever they use for the camera will undoubtbly be much better than what samsung/lg will deliver.
Anonymous, 02 Jul 2015Screen is still square with 4 conner. Frankly speaking, i dont impressive with this design...what do you want then, a phone with a rounded screen?of course the corners are squared off, its the screen.
Anonymous, 02 Jul 2015"One can dream, but one should not overlook S6/Note4 And G4, just because they don't look... moredude what's your point?the lumia 1030 and the S6/G4 you will cater to 2 different user bases, and of course the 1030's camera will beat blow the cameras of those other 2 out of the water, so naturally people who'll be buying this will go after the camera, while those who'll go for the S6 will buy that because of something else.
JonHolstein, 02 Jul 2015The 1030 or 1040, or whatever we dream of will never happen.
The LG G4 and the Samsung S6 res... moreresolved details will be better than note4/s6 because of the new software. Lumia 1020 doesnt have LC5 if it gets then you can see that it resolves much more details.
Hence updating lumia 1020 camera and processor hardware is required. If they upgrade and new softwares are installed, the resolved details will be much ahead of competition. Moreover, it will provide 10-12 times zooming capability that no other camera phone has.
JonHolstein, 02 Jul 2015The 1030 or 1040, or whatever we dream of will never happen.
The LG G4 and the Samsung S6 res... more"One can dream, but one should not overlook S6/Note4 And G4, just because they don't look as camera centric as the 1020, donesn't mean they can't put up a fight, and do so while being slimmer, more elegantly designed and with much more mass market appeal."
Yeah, but those devices run Android. Which... we all know how they work after a few months of usage. So yeah, if you want to take fast, quality photos and have professional camera controls available at the flick of a finger, then Windows is the only choice. Maybe iOS will have that buil-in their camera app, but I doubt it.
1030 specs i wish to have
1.50MP Pelican array camera
4.5000mAH x 2 hot-swap battery
5.10x laser zoom
6.dedicated camera button
7.microsoft watch to remote control camera
8.builtin retractable tripod
9.octacore, 4GB RAM, 32GB in-built memory
10.triple LED flash, opto-self charging
even if its $1500 i dont care
Screen is still square with 4 conner. Frankly speaking, i dont impressive with this design...
The 1030 or 1040, or whatever we dream of will never happen.
The LG G4 and the Samsung S6 resolves at least as much details as the 1020, despite having less than half the amount of pixels (and if I'm not misstaken, with smaller pxels even).
Sure, technology has moved on and updating the sensor for the 1030/1040 with the latest tech, could probably increase the resolved details somewhat, but no way near the resolution difference.
The small optics on mobiles, simply aren't good enough. And if they will ever be, by that time, the competition would have sensors matching the resolution.
It's not impossible, to beat the competition at the point where it's at. It's not impossible to achieve better low light perfomance. Higher resolved details. Better dynamic range. But not by a large margin.
Compromises would have to be made in terms of thickness, and design.
Some enusiats might get onboard anyhow. But I think most would argue that the difference isn't worth it. Even bofore you consider the OS (personally I have no problem with Windows Mobile 10, or even WP8.1).
I'm not sure MS would be able to sell enough units to get the money back for the R&D, that has to go in to the project to pull it off.
And I doubt they would get much media attention, for such a device, so it will not help build the brand either.
One can dream, but one should not overlook S6/Note4 And G4, just because they don't look as camera centric as the 1020, donesn't mean they can't put up a fight, and do so while being slimmer, more elegantly designed and with much more mass market appeal.