If Nokia started as a papermill, how does them selling this devices division equate to demise. Also, I don't believe they SOLD Microsoft mapping or patents. Last I saw , they were about to sell the mapping to European car manufacturers. They only allowed Microsoft the use of certain patents for a period of time. Your headline is rather dramatic,but you might want to do a little research prior to posting such articles.
I love NOKIA.. It was amazing phone,my 1st phone was NOKIA 6600...
i spend quite lovely time with nokia brands since 3310 to n86 and lumia 630 and i was happy with it and can't get away from it still using nokia 108 beside my android SM cuz it's best for battery
Anonymous, 16 Aug 2015Since 2002? Lol. Lumia 720 came out/released in 2013.No, he/she either had a better phone before 2002 or no phone. The lumia 720 is the best he/she had, ever or, or after the even better phone he/she gave up in 2002.
Dont get too nostalgic. The people within Nokia that brought us the devices we used to like, are probably no longer with the company.
My tip for Nokia, if they want a quick return to the market. Partner with Xiaomi. Xiamo, if I've understtod correctly can keep very low prices, since they don't have to pay licenses for patents. But if they want to get on the global market, they would have to, and that would bring prices up. Nokia on the other hand, when they get back to making mobiles, owns a lot of patents, that will give them cross-patent licensing deal, which mean, they don't have to pay or at least not that much for use of other companies patents.
If Nokia then wants to repackage the devices with another look, and or build quality, that is up to Nokia. But I don't think they have to. Right now, it's more about getting the brand spread again.
in pakistan we are deprived of good quality phones. presently china based companies like qmobile, voice , rive etc are providind v poor quality handsets in lower prices. when there was nokia they provide excellent hardware quality. samsung is present but v costly according to market. huawei is providing descent phones. oppo also provides v nice quality phones. but we still miss the stone hard build quality of nokia
Anonymous, 16 Aug 2015I respectfully disagree now, as I disagreed then. Windows Phone couldn't do half of what Symbi... moreWell the problem was that Symbian was a dead end at the time.
Nokia had wasted a lot of money already, trying to keep Symbian on lifesupport.
Most of what WP was missing at the time, iOS was missing as well.
MS came with what seemed like a good deal.
They would take care of most hardware drives. Meaning that Nokia could fire more people.
MS would also do marketing.
MS would also attract developers. Symbian didn't have that many.
And foremost MS would pay Nokia money for each handset.
MS didn't deliver on all points.
Symbian should have been killed of already, and the focus should have been completely on Maemo/MeeGo. Or perhaps on android. But at the time, the race didnt seem lost, so there was every chance for another OS to grab parts of the market.
Symbian could have still been out there, but money should have no longer been spent on it's development.
The decision to kill symbian came way too late. And that forced Nokia to desperate moves. And at the time the deal with MS, seemed like the best thing they could do.
What people also seem to forget all the time, is what the Nokia brand was worth or not worth at the time.
Nokia had been in trouble for some years. With devices that didn't deliver.
People were taling about Apple, Samsung, even HTC and some other brands. Next to no one was talking about Nokia at the time.
With a brand name that wasn't stronger, going Android route would not have been that easy. With other brands around that were more trendy, and with Nokia having a bit of a bad reputation. It's not as easy as people would have picked the Nokia device over others. They simply wouldnt have. Nokia would have had to do a lot of marketing. Which they never were particulary good at. And they would have had to deliver devices at the right price, which Nokia had not been doing for a few years except for in the very low end of feature phones.
My best bet is that if Nokia had went down the android route, they would have been gone by now, anyhow. And they wouldn't have gotten the cash from MS. Sure, there would have perhaps just as now been a company called Nokia, that owned most of the patents, and some services. Or perhaps without the cash flow from MS, all of that would have had to be sold off, as well, and now in the hands of MS, google or Apple.
Coming back to phones in 2017 with new OS's, design and manufacturing partners
I own the lumia 1020 'the camera marvel' nothing comes close to it. ......... hands down!
lovely nokia phone to remember..my 1st nokia phone n3310..following by n3100, n5300, n1200 (still can used until now)..n6680 to be my first 3G phone..n5800 xm (touch screen problem)..& last nX2
Proud to be a Nokia Lumia 1020 User.
Love Nokia :)
Omar From Cairo
Raffysn, 16 Aug 2015I still believe that NOKIA will rise up again! 2016, their agreement between Microsoft will e... moreSo do a lot of folk,more than we think and that includes me. Some of my best memories in life have been getting the latest Nokia Series 60 Smartphones.
Nokia phones have always been the ugliest in terms of design.Most of their phones looked like calculators(qwerty),bricks student's pencil boxes, electric shavers, stealth bombers and so.
in 2004 Nokia released the 7710. It was a touchscreen based phone. So what you mean by 5800 being their first full touch device, I dont know.
The deal with MS did not include patents. Licensing to them, but not the patents themselves. And not the mapping services either.
I'm in awe.
First things first, I would like to say that gsmarena just made a very good post here. It's something that really captured my attention, as I find it very interesting and educational. This deviates fr. the typical phone Wars/comparison.
I honestly miss the phones and the creativity and innovation that Nokia brought to people in different generations - the styling, the unique curves and color schemes.
I wish Nokia would still go back in the business. Their phones are among the sturdiest and unique looking ones. I hope that when they come back, they will bring again another innovation beyond the QHD displays, large RAMs, fingerprint sensors w/c are becoming the norm. Looking fr. a very broad perspective, phones nowadays seem to be just the same, having differences only in numbers(4 vs 8 cores, 13 vs 16 mp). I know Nokia can bring something new to the table - when they come back.
pika2000, 16 Aug 2015Actually, Nokia's decision to go with Windows Phone was a good one at that time. Remember that... moreI respectfully disagree now, as I disagreed then. Windows Phone couldn't do half of what Symbian could do at the time. It was another two years before you could even connect your Windows phone to a VPN, or have signed encrypted emails for Christ's sake. The logical choice for flexibility and features such as Symbian provided was Android.
Where I got it wrong back in 2011, was suggesting that Nokia would have been able to fork Android without Google Play Services. I thought that Ovi Maps + Opera browser would provide strong alternatives to the Google ecosystem. Obviously at that point, Amazon FirePhone and BB10 with their Android runtime forks hadn't been released yet to prove us all wrong about the importance of the Google Play framework.
Also disagree about marketing. Before 2011, Nokia marketing, at least in the US...there was none. People would see me with a Nokia phone and say, "I didn't know they were still around." And this was when Symbian still had 30% market share worldwide! The states had been a neglected market for some time, due to some patent dispute over CDMA. So with the Microsoft partnership, the marketing kicked up for the first time that I could remember, and one could actually go down to any cellular store and physically hold a Nokia smartphone. There were television commercials and ads in the papers. But people who bought in were left with a very limited Windows Phone 7 OS, which was obsolete with no upgrade path just months later. There was plenty of marketing, but the timing was a disaster.
If only Nokia aware that current market is starting to get bored of smartphones and proceduce those classic models like 8210, 8310 and some others.
I bought 2 Lumias in the last 2 years but it wasn't user friendly nor fun. Main phone is Blackberry now but 2nd phone for voice call is nowadays hardly a nice model. Wish Nokia to release those good old Symbian models in high end specs.
Nokia......very nostalgic to here it again. Very excited remembering back their golden years with high quality and attractive mobile phones. The Nokia craze by me and people surrounding me make us to ignore the beautiful designs of Motorola phones which was released on those same years. Largely driven by specs we ignore all the phones that lacks autofocus camera and flash and one more thing, we expect the mobile phones loudspeaker to be crazily loud and Nokia had successfully capitalised by releasing most of their phones according to our expectations or in other word they had been very successful in dictating in what we shall expect. And one more thing, Nokia phone's multimedia functions is awesome and attracted us which was ahead of its competitors.