AnonD-364786, 07 Oct 2015810 is a flop , but other snapdragon SoCs are miles better than whatever samsung tried.. sa... moreWhat you are saying is a total nonsense. All the Samsung "lagging" is about its software, not the hardware. Look at a whole bunch of Chinese phones, that use Mediatek processors. Those are fully based on "weak" Cortex A53 cores. And so what? Many of them are buttery smooth. Hell... Look at Moto G 3rd gen. It uses Snapdragon 410, that is fully based on A53 cores with no signs of core customization. It is also smooth enough.
lacp, 06 Oct 2015Qualcomm much superior to Samsung? Only in dreams. It has seen with the fail of Snapdragon 810... more810 is a flop , but other snapdragon SoCs are miles better than whatever samsung tried..
samsung lacks customising skills , thats why it sucks in real life usage
JJ, 06 Oct 2015Well, remember SD 820 manufactured by Samsung (with 14nm FinFeet technology) and Apple A9 also... moresamsung manufactures but not designs snapdragon and A9 chips..
comparisons sold be made between TSMC vs samsung abt how efficient thay are at manufacturing and not with apple or qualcomm
Anonymous, 06 Oct 2015Oh... I thought Exynos 7420 had defeated SD 810 is both single and multi core. And Exynos 8890... moreprobably qualcomm won't be using anything like benchmark booster unlike sammy ;-)
exyns cores are not bare minimum cores with little customisation unlike snapdragon ( 810 is not which is an exception because of QC was caught off guard coz of 64 bit architecture )..
google for exynos 8890 , its octal-core .. and mediate defeated samsung multi core score by having 10 cores
AnonD-442781, 06 Oct 2015All sources say that multiple cores are indeed useful, and that's just for one app. When you i... moreOf course more cores is useful, no one ever said it wasn't, but it's just not worth the time and effort it takes to fully utilize them all, it's MUCH quicker, easier, and more efficient to just program primarily for singe core use and a couple of background threads, and when apps are programmed like that (and most are) it's better to have higher speeds and only a couple of cores. I hate Apple products but I have to say that their CPUs seem much better suited to phones than these 8 core messes that Android phones use these days :(.
Multiple cores are only really able to be fully utilized when you are dealing with large amounts of data that need to be processed in the same way, and most of the data processing you would need on a phone (video/image processing) can be done MANY times faster on the GPU not the CPU because the GPU has hundreds of cores (aka pipelines) so it is much better for doing that sort of work anyway making it almost pointless having lots of cores on the CPU. There is also a fair bit of overhead with using multiple threads as you often need synchronization between them, creating new threads is slow, you often need to use more memory (RAM), you need to include a heap of safeguards to prevent race conditions and deadlocks and sometimes you also need to use atomic instructions that will pause all other cores while it runs significantly reducing the efficiency of using all the cores, this is why there are diminishing returns on adding more cores. In fact due to all the overhead making something (usually small tasks) multi-threaded can actually make it significantly slower than if it was single threaded regardless of how many cores you throw at the problem.
On the other hand higher CPU speeds are great for doing lots of different and relatively small tasks like updating UI elements and handling input, or for processing anything that needs to be done sequentially (there's quite a lot that simply can't be multi-threaded because it needs to happen in a particular order), and those are the sorts of things a phone will need to do most often.
If you are doing anything commonly associated with phones then it's likely that as long as you have at least 2 cores (so that background tasks don't interrupt a high priority thread) you will get better performance from higher clock speeds and more efficient instruction sets than you would from having more cores. Multi-threading is not a magic bullet, it's a great tool for improving the performance of *specific* tasks (or for actively multi-tasking), but on their own for most applications multi-threading is unlikely to be used in a way that would help performance if you already have more than 1 core.
Lol, 06 Oct 2015Sorry, I expressed myself wrong, I wanted to know where I can buy a device with Mongoose cores.Oh. Wait untill 2017 Q2 atleast. :P
Mr Best, 07 Oct 2015Buy a nexus. since its pure google OS and its optimize by google themselves, just like iPhone. I would love to but all Nexus lines are meant for development and app testing so they don't have all of the flagship hardware installed in 1 device.
Currently, given the hardware specs, they can't be compared with either Apple or Samsung.
To be fair with Nexus, it's a good thing though, as we need to test and see if optimization will work at the lowest or medium specs. It's a given that if its fast and working smooth on lower specs, it will be the same or better when hardware specs are better.
I would love it, though, if Nexus can bring in a flagship device at par with the Top Droids.
Ritzie, 07 Oct 2015Samsung Galaxy S and Notes will surely beat Apple iPhone IF they are able to optimize their UI... moreBuy a nexus. since its pure google OS and its optimize by google themselves, just like iPhone.
dont mean to nitpick, but the logo reminds me more of a meerkat than a mongoose
and tomorrow, there will be a rumor about the Galaxy S8!
It will take up to a year to decisively beat a9 in multi core and not even match a9's single core. Rather not impressed because a10 will be above ot all come next year
Samsung Galaxy S and Notes will surely beat Apple iPhone IF they are able to optimize their UI and OS more than what Apple iOS does now.
It's not only a question of hardware as both are at par. It's a question of Software Optimization and Performance.
User Experience is so so but shouldn't be underestimated.
that's just so cute! Wish sony could pay them for lending them this soc. The monkey is just.. awwww
JJ, 06 Oct 2015Well, remember SD 820 manufactured by Samsung (with 14nm FinFeet technology) and Apple A9 also... morecheck out how the tsmc 16nm iphone 6s use less power and produce less heat than the 14nm samsung iphone 6s. apple can dump samsung any time. BTW this processor probably have a TDP of 10w
if galaxy s7 isnt stone cold iphone killer ill throw my current phone from window
really waiting smth BIG CHANGE with s7
s3 s4 were almost same s4 s5 is the difference s6 is the beast i expect s7 to be mighty king !
Sammy is trying hard but the truth is they still cannot beat Apple. Thumbs up..
AnonD-438854, 06 Oct 2015I can't spoonfeed people who sit at their chairs in front of their computers or cellphones who... moreAll sources say that multiple cores are indeed useful, and that's just for one app. When you include background apps and multitasking then multiple cores have even more value. That's why I wanted to see your source. Since now your telling me to Google, its clear you haven't even seen what a Google search shows.
AnonD-442781, 06 Oct 2015There are dual core phones and octa-core phones. If what you're saying is true then those apps... moreI can't spoonfeed people who sit at their chairs in front of their computers or cellphones who just can't google how multi-threading in android works. I'm done with you people.