No matter how this turns out, this is going to be a big PR blunder by Apple.
Anonymous, 30 Apr 2010Finders keepers would apply to things that nobody owns that you've found, or, things that some... moreWith due respect to Anonymous from FJR6 ... I did not on the first place indicate that the lost iPhone was of trivial matter to which it is to be surrendered to good reason that "finders keepers" apply to it.
I was commenting merely on my observation on the thread to which the double standard ethical considerations are being applied by many.
Stating that, the "Finders Keepers" rule on this matter, perpetuates a continuous unethical practice that has been instilled from the time we are young until the time we part from this world.
I do not contest Apple's right to pursue due course of action in recovering a lost device, a due course of action in a dignified and ethical matter.
We are all guilty of practicing the "Finders Keepers" rule be it trivial or not. The end effect always of Finders Keepers is One's Losss is another One's Profit.
Apple need to make news somehow coz Nokia N8 is gonna KILL THEM when it comes out. The iphone 4g won't stand a chance, the only brand that ever had a chance at dethroning iphone was Nokia, and its about time they came up with a SERIOUS uberfone contender. The others (HTC, Sony Ericsson, Motorola) better get their marketing machines into overdrive and push as many Desire, Xperia X10 and Milestones as they can before iphone 4 and Nokia N8 arrive. As for samsung, as great as Galaxy S is, the brand just dosent have the ooomph of Apple and Nokia. They better get that Galaxy S in stores fast if they hope to sell a few, before the 2 big chiefs arrive.
Micio, 30 Apr 2010The trend of the conversation is now on ethical, bordering moral, grounds concerning this issu... moreFinders keepers would apply to things that nobody owns that you've found, or, things that someone lost or misplaced and the owner never bothered to look for it or try to get it back, or, things that the owner simply abandoned and could care less whatever happens to it. In that case, that lost item that you found is pretty much yours to keep. Thus came the term "finders keepers". Those are the things that you lose on airplanes, buses, in the streets. Things like a pen, a handkerchief, a button, a hair pin, etc. Then there are things like, a $20,000 certified diamond ring, a wedding ring, laptops, wallets, expensive cell phones, etc., that are worth a lot of money and are worth the effort getting back. So you cannot compare trivial things that you lose on an airplane to a prototype device that could potentially profit billions of dollars to a company. So yes, Apple has every reason to pursuit the matter and use every law available to protect their business interests and investments.
Anonymous, 30 Apr 2010In California, if you find something, it does not automatically belong to you. You have to ma... moreThe trend of the conversation is now on ethical, bordering moral, grounds concerning this issue.
Finders Keepers... you lost it, i found it, now its mine... applies to elementary school? this kind of thinking encorages more the unethical conduct of people growing up having that mindset.
How many lost items in aeroplanes, automobiles and public joints found by individuals do actually return said items? the ratio might be 1:10,000.
Laws are set-up to protect the interest of the common good.
The flaw in the Law is that it is not defined in verbatim... meaning, it is subject to interpretation. And when a Law is subject to interpretation, this can be used to the pursuit of one's personal good and interest.
Ethics, Morals, Laws ... do you abide by it 100%?
Anonymous, 29 Apr 2010"HUGE" crime? Really? Lost and found law does not apply? It's not a theft. You reall... moreIn California, if you find something, it does not automatically belong to you. You have to make reasonable effort to return it, and even then it's best to turn it over to the police. "Finders keepers..." may apply in elementary school, but it does not apply to adults in California.
pM, 29 Apr 2010If the laws are so well done then why they are change it so often?!? Maybe the law is saying t... moreWhat Gizmodo did was unethical. It is not ethical to buy stolen items. So because that Gizmodo staff broke the law, the court granted the search warrant. You're judgement is biased against Apple because you are a nokia fan :)
Anonymous, 29 Apr 2010So what you are saying is, i lost a billion dollar wallet, the guy who found it offered to ret... moreNow why would you laugh if someone found your wallet and tried to return it to you? I was right with my hunch. There was no phone call made to Apple regarding the lost prototype. It's on the news. See, it's a good thing that the police investigated on the matter, or else, people like you would just believe on whatever unproved stories and speculations circulating. Here's the lates news about this case:
Anonymous, 29 Apr 2010"HUGE" crime? Really? Lost and found law does not apply? It's not a theft. You reall... morereceiving stolen property
being stupid enough to brag about it publicly
making money from pagehits is why they did it
toalltheidiots, 29 Apr 2010to all the commenters stupid enough not to get why gizmodo committed a huge crime... http://le... more"HUGE" crime? Really? Lost and found law does not apply? It's not a theft. You really don't get the difference between the scope of a phone and a boeing? Big money may be involved in both, but there are huge differences. So what is that "HUGE" crime again?
Take a look at this: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/04/27/one-of-our-children-is-missing/
Anonymous, 28 Apr 2010You do not understand because you lack education on how the legal system works. So I suggest ... moreIf the laws are so well done then why they are change it so often?!? Maybe the law is saying that the Apple conpany is right, but the common sense is saying that is wrong! It is not ethical, man!
charlemagne, 28 Apr 2010I don't want to make a politics issue out of this but, ...well... somebody here said that that... moreI recomand you to buy the new nokia n8.It´s a very cool diveice with a lot of features and it will sell for only 350 euros.I garantee you that you will not regret! Think about it!
Don´t forget that what Gizmodo did was only FOR YOU (for the readers).And what Apple did... I see a lot of fear and desesperation in their actions (OMFG!!! NOKIA has seen now our beloved iphone G4 who dosen´t have multitasking and has a camera of only 5 mpx !! - what should we do !??!!?). Desperate, arrogant and verry stupid company. And don´t worry, Apple will lose milion for wat they did.A nokia prototype was stoles as well and they did not breake the house of nobady.
to all the commenters stupid enough not to get why gizmodo committed a huge crime... http://lesposen.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/honda/
Anonymous, 28 Apr 2010Well if your wallet could potentially profit billions of dollars like that iphone prototype, t... moreSo what you are saying is, i lost a billion dollar wallet, the guy who found it offered to return it, i laughed at him, came to my senses a little while later, got the wallet back, then set the police on the guy who returned it and you call that common sense?