Oh noes. I hates them so much. Now that they're both in the same company I don't know whether I should hate or not :/
emc91, 20 Jan 2016Well I live in a small country called Latvia, which is thought of as a 3rd world country by mo... moreWell obviously, I have nothing against you.
On the other hand I'm turned into a cauldron of hatred when thinking about HTC. By contrast I feel relaxed and almost happy when I hear bad news about HTC (like lesser sales than last year, etc). I think of them as their come-uppance for all the evil they've done to the industry.
Yes, other companies have analysts to, but if HTC was not to produce *live numbers* of how it is to produce phones that are easy to get obsoleted, few would try. HTC's "experiment" was other companies' free ticket to what they always wanted (artificial demand).
Most people want to have a phone for a long time and then be able to resale it afterwords. Forget all those with dead or dying batteries. Besides, by sealing the battery HTC didn't actually manage to make their phones slimmer. Lastly replaceable batteries can afford to be smaller (less MaH) than sealed ones since you can always replace them if they start losing charge.
There are plenty slim phones with replaceable battery (galaxy alpha comes to mind). The greatest think that sealed batteries managed was to artificially up the demand and HTC did it first in the android world, I'll never forgive them for that.
As for the cameras. They produces the results of a selfie cam. They look really, really bad, very little detail, no ability to zoom and their night-shots are actually worse from some top cameras. They really dropped the ball there too, it made their disconnect to the real world fairly obvious.
The extra bezel is just bad engineering, no way around it. Phones with more hardware and often equally good (probably better) craftmanship were able to avoid such a blunder. They simply f***ed up. Serious companies would just scrap such a bad design instead of releasing it to the public, once again showing how little they think of users.
They're arrogant and selfish and insulting by asking my money. I have managed to keep quite many people from buying HTC and I am damn proud of it. Funny thing is that I was an HTC fanboy in mid to late 00s. Their Windows mobiles and first androids were top notch, I don't know what happened afterwards. Nowadays I spend my days hating them...
Well I live in a small country called Latvia, which is thought of as a 3rd world country by most. That of course isn't true, but we are not rich people.
Now this is childish - do you really think that all of the companies would follow HTC? Do you really think that they are that stupid? Every single company has analysts, and I can bet you that one of the things they analyse in the market is the necessity for a user-removable battery. Yes there are a small percent of people, who are shouting "we need a user replaceable battery". But the truth is - for phone companies to be able to create thinner phones, they need to use non-removable batteries. And thinner phones is what we all want.
As for the cameras - that is not true, what you're saying. Yes, I'll give you the fact that HTC only had 4MP cameras for their flagships, but they were not bad cameras. In fact the colors, exposure and the low-light performance were great. You can read any review and they will say that the picture quality is great, apart from details, as they are only 4MP. A lot of photographers praised the true-to-life colors.
As for the bezels - you got me beat there - I have no clue, why they are doing that. My best guess is the antennas. Nobody likes them, but I can guarantee they are there for a reason. They are not creating them so ugly just to annoy you.
All in all - you are entitled to your opinion and nobody can take that away from you. But the things you are saying are petty and childish. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean that other people won't like that too. If nobody liked their phones, nobody would buy them. ;) Think about that.
As for this discussion - thank you for an open mind, and not showering me with rude words. This has been a very civilized discussion and that's rare on the internet. Even if you don't agree with me, and I don't agree with you.
FIRST HTC need to provide proper updates for their existing devices.
Mostly every HTC customer will switch to another brands due to lack of software updates
Honest Realist, 20 Jan 2016How thick are you? How did I make a comparison?Dude.You literally just compared two products to each other.Being sarcastic or not you did compare products :P.
emc91, 20 Jan 2016They were the first company to do many things. Hats off to them for doing innovation. And your... moreFirst, where do you live? In here all flagships (apart from LG) has followed HTC's ridiculous example and have sealed batteries. Also in here (I.e. not in the US) people keep their phones for more than 2 years because they don't buy them on contract. Also phones have stopped evolving as fast as they used to, so there is literally no reason to upgrade every two years.
I very much dispute that people would choose that if it was not for planned obsolescence (sealed battery). Thank you HTC.
Camera: up to last year the cameras was atrocious for a flagship, only m9 is kind of better. A friend had M8 and the quality was worse than $200 China phones. The use of such low quality components combined with introducing first, planned obsolescence show what rabid money grabs they are.
Big bezels: plenty of metal phones without them just look at redmi note 3, it's a budget phone even. Metal phones are not an "in" thing anymore , everybody's doing it, even low end phones. But HTC's refusal to try new designs made them advertise -still- as one of their best features what is now a common place feature, they even do it badly (seriously? What's the need of onscreen buttons with that giant chin you're carrying)?
BTW I don't feel the need to comment to companies that do things "correctly" because they really don't need my comment. On the other hand I loathe HTC and I want more people to know why, maybe I'll make more haters out of them (nothing bad with hating such a bad company)...
Anonymous, 20 Jan 2016They're a bad influence to the world. Rehashed designs, big bezels, bad cameras,one of the fir... moreThey were the first company to do many things. Hats off to them for doing innovation. And your opinion on "bad camera" is completely false. Their cameras aren't the best, not even third or fourth, but they are not "bad".
I see that you're one of the people who don't like built-in batteries. That is fine - there are a lot of phone companies to choose from, who have user replaceable batteries. But the fact is - nobody uses their phones longer than 2 years, by which time you would start to feel the battery life fade. So they, and other companies have taken this into account and made the batteries built-in, which gives them the ability to put bigger non-rectangular batteries in their phones. That is then by definition, an innovation.
As for the bezels - yes, nobody likes them, but if you want an aluminum phone, that's the way it works. Otherwise, there is no place for the signal to go. Look at all the manufacturers that make aluminum phones - their bezels are big. Even Apple, but somehow people miss that. :D
And my final point, and the thing I don't understand in people - If you don't like HTC and their products, why are you watching the news about them? Why are you commenting on them? Why, oh why are you wasting your time doing so? I'm not going to the comments of Apple and Samsung phones and start posting things that bash those companies, because I think that's a complete waste of time. There are a lot of people buying their products and they will not close any time soon, so just deal with it. ;)
Anonymous, 19 Jan 2016You just did. I like Oculus Rift better. How thick are you? How did I make a comparison?
Emc, 19 Jan 2016Really? What have they done to you?
I truly hate Apple products, but I would never wish for... moreThey're a bad influence to the world. Rehashed designs, big bezels, bad cameras,one of the first to introduce sealed batteries on android (planned obsolescence).
Yeah people would lose their job, but their skills were already wasted to that uninspired company. Maybe they can start a new one without the baggage that HTC is carrying.
BTW I don't have a favourite company, I just hate moneygrabs like HTC and wish them to close shop. Still I like Vive, it's a cool product, better than Rift, it's such a bad decision for such a great product to share roof with the mobile department. There is the danger that the vive people would become as uninspired as the mobile division.
Honest Realist, 19 Jan 2016Some poor fool is going compare this to samsung gear vr. Inevitable. i thought that was the whole point of this site. to start arguments over nothing and be hellbent on being right and post links to sites that spread rumours and half truths about certain brands and products so why dont we start and also use non related products in this argument like Microsoft hololens as is always the case when its camp androimd vs apple insiders they always throw in microsoft products and start nipping features realeted to thier favourite brands to concrete the brain numbing statements anyway. so lets start preparing the links shall we. :D
Bars, 19 Jan 2016How can u live with yourself?Really? What have they done to you?
I truly hate Apple products, but I would never wish for them to close down. Do you have any idea how many people would lose their jobs?
Or do you hate them just because they are posing a threat to your favorite mobile phone manufacturer, whomever that may be?
Sometimes I just don't get people.
Honest Realist, 19 Jan 2016Some poor fool is going compare this to samsung gear vr. Inevitable. Stupid.
I really wish for HTC to close down, they always were a bad influence to mobiles. But at the same time I want their VR department to succeed (VR is the future). Now that they keep both under the same roof I don't know whether I should root for or against HTC.
Honest Realist, 19 Jan 2016Some poor fool is going compare this to samsung gear vr. Inevitable. You just did. I like Oculus Rift better.