Muthu, 03 Feb 2016What do you mean when you say user experience on SD 820 or Exynos 8890 lags? With stock androi... moreOn stock Android for sure. But idk, in terms of real world market share. Not much manufacturers are recently on stock Android (there are some claiming "close to", but still) nor upcoming products from various manufacturers, not on top Android manufacturers, neither on competitive top Chinese Android manufacturers. And not much manufacturers are also blessed with a license or agreement to use the upcoming top-spec Exynos. We shall see how that will translate to but as early as now, I expect future users testifying how either chipset would lag regardless of which Android manufacturer they use it from considering various Android makers do not incorporate identical UIs/skins
Muthu, 03 Feb 2016What do you mean when you say user experience on SD 820 or Exynos 8890 lags? With stock androi... morewell i dont think you see anything with these two chipsets,maybe letv
phones lag on rubbish software... i didnt expiriance in real life becouse im not samsung user,but i see on web,so it look like samsung know how to make rubbish software
This is where many people's insatiable lust for power brought us to.
Anonymous, 03 Feb 2016But then when user experience of either 820 or 8890 still lags. What would be the next level a... moreWhat do you mean when you say user experience on SD 820 or Exynos 8890 lags? With stock android, I don't see a mobile powered by SD 820 or Exynos 8890 to lag unless they put 512 MB RAM (like apple do) OR UHD display (like Sony did). If the device is properly made with all other right components, I don't see a reason why it would lag with stock android. Touchwiz is a different matter altogether.
fito, 03 Feb 2016ipad also hot. lelMy iPad Air barely gets warm and stays within 90% of peak performance all the time.
Amazing, it follows suite, of the 810...Benchmarks are going to take a deep hit.....
Muthu, 03 Feb 2016You know what, we do need more powerful chipsets which consume less battery compared to previo... moreBut then when user experience of either 820 or 8890 still lags. What would be the next level after that?
MarcoK, 03 Feb 2016But it looks like the review shows, that the SD 810 implementation in the 6p is just fine. Why... moreI agree with you in that in real world use terms, I am sure the 6P does just fine. And I have never claimed the 810 to be faulty, just that it doesn't represent a significant step forward over the 805 in any real way (and in some ways appears to be a regression).
Also agree that it looks as as though reference Arm core designs such as the A57, do not work well on the 20nm process.
Anonymous, 02 Feb 2016A72, not outdated at all. Btw, Apple doesnt give a shit. They have very different market approach.A72 is a processor core. It is a new core. But the process die used in Helio X20 is indeed an outdated process which still using FAB at 20nm. Note that Samsung already use FinFET at 14nm which give performance boost while lowering power consumption (hence cooler chipset). Even TSMC (the one who manufacture MediaTek's Helio X20) actually has 16nm process. I don't know why MediaTek chose 20nm over TSMC's 16nm.
Mediatek has denied that rumours. I saw the claim here http://www.droidafrica.com/2016/02/03/mediatek-denies-heating-issues-with-helio-x20/
Anonymous, 03 Feb 2016high end mobile processors are just too powerful, nobody really needs that much power and over... moreYou know what, we do need more powerful chipsets which consume less battery compared to previous chipsets. We are there already with Kirin 950 as a starting point with Cortex A72 cores. Please check Anandtech's review of Huawei Mate 8.
I am fairly confident SD 820 and Exynos 8890 will take it to next level once they are released.
high end mobile processors are just too powerful, nobody really needs that much power and overheating is inevitable. It got to the point where high end brings more disadvantages than advantages. Battery consumption is another disadvantage. Add ridiculously high (nobody needs, of course) ppi and the more and more usual lack of sd slot or other limitations and owning a "flagship" means your phone is mostly for ego boosting and not so smart.
Lex79, 02 Feb 2016Again I refer you to the Anandtech Nexus 6P review, in their summary, they make it quite plain... moreBut it looks like the review shows, that the SD 810 implementation in the 6p is just fine. Why? Let's see what they tested, the performance drop in heavy gpu use with a benchmark app and the performance drop in heavy CPU use, influenced by a app that just runs the shit out of the CPU and measured the frequency.
Looking at a real world use, there is nothing, nothing that more than 0,1% of smartphone users do that needs uninterrupted CPU load on max. You just don't need it. The highest load you put on your phone is graphic intense gaming. And when I compare that, I can see that the 6p drops, but so does the galaxy s6. And they drop to almost the same performance. So of course the 6p drops more because it had a higher score than the galaxy s6 when cool but in the end you cannot really give the nexus a minus because it is just "not better anymore" than the galaxy s6 in heavy gaming use.
That said, this review just shows my personal experience between the galaxy s6 and the nexus 6p. Except smoother animations on the nexus (like always in the nexus line) and another kind of multi tasking behavior there is no subjective speed difference between those two devices.
Other than with the xperia z3+, this sd810 just gets sooooooo slow you would not believe it until you used one on your own.
But this difference is archived due to some engineering around the SOC to get rid of the heat, my bacis statement, that 20nm manufacturing process and a57 or a72 just don't play well together can stay as it is. And to change that you have to do a lot work around the chip...
Well, I am not surprise since "Helio" is personification of the Sun in Greek mythology.
Anonymous, 02 Feb 2016IT's not "just 1.8GHz". It's core is HUGE, it's equivalent to 3.6Ghz or other manufacturers' a... moreThat's the keyword, equivalent . They did some stuff (huge cores , optimisation etc.) But at the end of the day they have a CPU at a frequency of 1.8 Ghz that clearly matches and even outperforms other manufacturers 3.6 Ghz cores.