JonHolstein, 25 Feb 2016Pixel technology has moved on since the N8. Pixels are more sensitive to light, less prone to ... more"But I do think that N8 should be included if GSMarena ever make a proper shootout.
But that is mostly so we can lay all this old Nokia hype to rest."
GSMArena has the N8 in its database. The following link is a comparison to the S6 edge+ and the iPhone 6s Plus. It is clearly better than the Apple but roughly tied with the Samsung.
"The actual captured resolution of the 808 and 1020, throughout the frame however is not that impressive anymore."
Are you joking? The 808 and 1020 still demolishes the flagship Samsung and Apple phones providing well over 3000 lines per picture height versus only around 2000 for the others.
"And I dont think the dynamic range, and low light performance would seem that impressive either."
The data for cameraphone dynamic range is comparatively sparse but here's some data:
CM1 RAW: 11.7 stops (Reviewed.com) 2.4
G4 RAW: 10.7 stops (Reviewed.com) 1.12
1020 RAW: 10.4 stops (DXOMark) 1.12
808 JPEG: 10 stops (TechRadar) 1.4
HTC One M9 RAW: 9.7 stops (Reviewed.com)
Nexus 6 RAW: 8.77 stops (Reviewed.com)
Different methods can introduce variance, but good smartphones have around 10 stops of dynamic range. iPhone 6 beats the S6 Edge but (Reviewed.com) in JPEG but no quantitative data. Now that the S6 has RAW, it might win. If the 808 only had RAW it might hit 11, but we'll never know.
In low light, the 808 provides at least a one stop advantage over the iPhone 6s based on DPReviews low light test. The S6 series might be as good or better than the 808 based on the Samsungs' advantage over the iPhone 6s in GSMArena's low light test. The CM1 is probably better than the 808 in low light but it's hard to say for sure because the low light test at DPReview has the CM1 sample at F4 ISO 3200 1/20s when F2.8 ISO 1600 1/10s would have been a much better match.
In any case, it isn't "old Nokia hype". In good lighting, the Nokias still match (N8) or destroy (808/1020) everything else and are as good or better than everything else in low light.
"If you main focus is camera performance, you should probably look at a pocket camera from Sony, Canon or Panasonic."
None of them are pocketable, especially if the 808 is already considered on the borderline of too thick. The thinnest pocket cameras with comparable or larger sensor sizes are more than twice as thick!
If you have large pockets, then sure, an RX1/100 or even a mirrorless dSLR are possible and will give super image quality but that is another device to remember to charge, remember not to leave behind, remember to bring, ensure you have a jacket, etc.
The CM1, even thicker than the 808, nevertheless remains the highest quality stills camera that can be considered pocketable.
jagganatha, 22 Feb 2016The late 2010 nokia n8 has a 12mp sensor and a 28mm f2.8 tessar lens. ITS PIXELS ARE 1.75um. I... morePixel technology has moved on since the N8. Pixels are more sensitive to light, less prone to noise, and combine that with better processing, and pixels can be made smaller, while still keeping the same performance.
However, I do think that it would have been better, if Samsung would have used even bigger pixels, with this latest pixel technology.
But for a 4:3 sensor, today, 12MP is about as low a you can go. Otherwise, they would hae to exclude 4K recording. (However I do belive that a 1080p video, with the same bitrate as those 4K clips by mobiles, would not be far behind in captured resolution, and if the pixels were bigger it would come even closer, so I'm not saying 12MP with 4K recording is the best in terms of actual performance, just that right now, they kind of needs it for marketing).
But I do think that N8 should be included if GSMarena ever make a proper shootout.
But that is mostly so we can lay all this old Nokia hype to rest.
For the time the N8, 808 and 1020 were impressive.
The actual captured resolution of the 808 and 1020, throughout the frame however is not that impressive anymore. And I dont think the dynamic range, and low light performance would seem that impressive either.
(older iPhone/s should also be included, due to the bigger pixels of those, compared to todays devices)
The Panasonic CM-1 would probably win a proper shootout.
But I don't think any of the old Nokias would come in second.
If you then factor in that the device should function as a modern day smartphone, Nokias are out of the race, and so would the CM-1 be.
If you main focus is camera performance, you should probably look at a pocket camera from Sony, Canon or Panasonic. If you can fit one of the better ones in your pocket, that would be worth it. It will outperform any flagship mobile, for years. And it would offer you some optical zooming. And the total cost would not be more, as you could then go for one of the cheaper high end phones, that does worse in the camera department, and over the years (as long as the pocket camera outperforms the best flagship mobile), it will even out the price difference, as you can keep saving some on the high end mobiles you get. (the price difference will even out even quicker, if you could live with a good midrange device).
Everything is good but why 4:3 aspect ration as it doesn't cover whole screen . If image covers full screen then it looks nice.
Gudda, 22 Feb 2016No OIS?
Fail!Have you been living under a rock?
Sony as already removed its OIS in almost all of its imaging products in favor of its copyrighted SteadyShot technology since 2012
Go google it.
The pictures are nice because they all contains a nice bukeh (depth of field blur).
By switching to 4:3 and using the 1.7 apature this seem to improve alot compared to other smartphones. To me a looks like a good decision. I would be very interested, which focal length the camara system has.
@jagganatha N8 had a big camera bulk at rear. Physical thickness of N8 (12.9 mm) enables larger sensors (1/1.83″) thus larger pixels (1.75 µm). Samsung Galaxy S7 is 7.9 mm thick, 1/2.6" sensor, 1.4 µm pixels.
The late 2010 nokia n8 has a 12mp sensor and a 28mm f2.8 tessar lens. ITS PIXELS ARE 1.75um. I see no point in less pixels that are stil too small on a too small sensor. Incomprehensible.
Great pics, but to get better idea about that camera you should take also picture/s with some/any available phone. Of course is picture the best if not compared to anything...
The infoegraphic on Samsung's websitea does mention smart OIS for the S6 and S7. So it must be optical, a day the O refers to.
I couldn't find anywhere if the native 12mpx resolution is in 4:3 or 16:9 format. Does anyone know?
Samsung - if this Galaxy S7 /S7 Edge doesn't revive your falling sales and profits, then you may as well shut down your entire smartphone business altogether - for I honestly believe this has to be the most perfect, well-rounded smartphone any manufacturer has ever produced in a long time. Suck on that, Apple!
Why does the camera appear Applish? Downsized to 12MP, Motion photo (Live Photo) which is exactly 3s long, Selfie Flash? Slowly mobile phone technology is converging. No more wars!
yosef019, 22 Feb 2016but no image stabilizationI dun think they will make the mistake. HTC took it out and they were so screwed by it lol
The table is overexposed and that collar too in the second pic. They still haven't figured out on how to improve dynamic range.
4:3 is back. That is good news - no more idiotic wide horizontally, but narrow vertically images.
But if S7 lacks OIS - no goodie. Because Samsung is using very slow shutter speeds. That would put this phone to a useless cameraphone for streetshooter like me.
It would be real shame if they dropped the OIS. I'm not buying the b/s that with such bright lens/big pixels you don't need it. Had it been there, the photos would have been even better.
Linh N., 22 Feb 2016Remember guys, bigger sensor + bigger pixel size + faster lens = so much more light. This mean... moreRemenber you, no one can do magic. And remember:
-Sensor size seems to be unchanged
-pixel size is bigger but nothing special, iPhone 6 has the same, nexus 6p or HTC m10 have more
-aperture is always connected to the sensor size, the 1.7 aperture would only be a 1.92 on a 1/2.3 Sensor - that's 0.08 better than we have right now
So actually the camera hardware is good, but nothing special and the low exposure times with the low iso in the images only shows you that it actually wasn't that dark when they took them...
MarcoK., 22 Feb 2016Actually I just did the math and it should be 1/2.3
That means the aperture is a lot wider t... moreAnd I was wrong because I thought they kept the 16:9 ratio... Now since they switched to 4:3 it seems like the kept the same sensor size of the s6.
That is not impressing at all - the aperture is a f/1.92 on a 1/2.3 sensor like in the nexus 6p or the xperia x5. OK, they have a F2, so it is a step forward but definitely not a big one..