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Samsung's screen always has the worst color accuracy. So terrible it hurts my eyes. Really ridiculous how some people seem to like it for what it is.
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Adiyel, 27 Mar 2016Samsung's AMOLED AoD drains more power than LG's LCD version. Check the endurance ratings of t... moreEven while you're right, the thing is. The AoD on S7 and Edge is much brighter and better readable than the one of the G5 and even scalles with the lighting. The G5 is really dim to save power and sticks with it all the time.
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ethereal, 21 Mar 2016Yeah I know that. But then it will drain the battery very quickly. Always on is useful only on... moreSamsung's AMOLED AoD drains more power than LG's LCD version. Check the endurance ratings of the S7 and the (pre-production) G5
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Deed, 22 Mar 2016After the Galaxy S6/S6 edge were released, I have actually encountered two 1-month Galaxy S6 e... moreTotally agree with you. I noticed exactly the same issue on galaxy S6 phones in the local telecom store, after they coming out, within a couple of months TERRIBLE burn-in.
I remember days when S2 was demo unit, such issues not observed.
By the way, my wife still using galaxy S2, (fourth year going) and guess what, no burn-in present!
Conclusion, i think, is that- because newer amoled screens are reasonable bright, (S2 is too dim in daylight) sammy simply pushed their tech to "outer limits", but this will respectively shortening oleds (especially blue one) lifespan dramatically.
And what pleasure can i feel from that glorious oled screen, running it at half brightness in fear of the shorten lifespan ?
I'm not choosing oled, as long as their tech becomes more stable.
(sorry my rough english)
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The air gap is history for smartphone LCDs. It's a big bummer it's not AMOLED. I'm pretty sure it steered many away from this phone, me included.
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Audio is one of their best sides so they better not drop it. Also as a One user myself an Amoled screen would've been better imo.
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Deed, 22 Mar 2016After the Galaxy S6/S6 edge were released, I have actually encountered two 1-month Galaxy S6 e... moreThe display units I can understand: they were in a retail environment, so would have run maximum brightness, on a static screen, for at least eight hours a day, the same screen day in day out.
And, yes I understand, that the LCD phones in the same situation did not 'etch',.. This is is still a case of a non normal usage scenario (but highlights why we don't have much in the way of OLED TVs for sale..)
With regards to your personal phone,.. Based on what you have shared, I agree- "that is hella dodgy". I would be talking with Samusnug about that, because, if used the way you stated, and it WASN'T a demo phone previously, I would be way miffed.
And Sammy would need to know.
In fairness this was around the time when OLED (/AMOLED) screen brightness started to eclipse LCD screen brightness (which was never OLEDs strong suit). I know with my Note Edge (which has the same screen generation as yours') it could ramp up around 500 nits on full brightness, or >700nits when set to auto, and walking outdoors into sunlight.
I try not to use my AMOLEDs at full brightness in direct sunlight for long periods as it doesn't take a genius to realise that this could 'hurt' the pixels, knowing they are without a backlight, and 'generate' the full brightness on their lonesome; combined with the heat and UV I can see how these screens could 'lose brightness' over a reasonably small timeframe (the usable life of the product).
So, yes, AMOLED isn't as bullet proof as LCD in 'borderline' poor usage scenarios.
I suggest to readers if that screen wasn't a bad sample (they do exist), the screen on in full sunlight for a long time with a static screen is what happened here... Though I would question the 'newness' of the phone if it was able to be hurt so badly so quickly (sure it wasn't 'demo' stock?)
I understand if you sell phones or are a rep you need to tread carefully when giving public opinion, and so I take your examples as indicative that you probably have 'many more'.
If users leave their 'auto brightness' settings a little from the top, they would be doing a good job in terms of preventative maintenance.
The OLEDs of that generation had ridiculously high sunlight contrast (not a feature that OLEDs should have as their strength), and so it is clear, with your example as a highlight, that these screens were pushed outside of their 'happy limits' to 'benchmark well'.
Again, dropping the auto brightness a couple of percent would do wonders to the longevity of the phone, when in sunlight, and is in the USERS CONTROL. (Be warned, ay!?)
I still believe we could find LCD phones, that bench on the very edge of the techs limit (in terms of sunlight contrast ie brightness at full), that would show similar short life expectancies.
This is the problem when unit sales are bolstered by 'spec sheet numbers' and 'benchmarks' and where perfectly great devices 'in the real world' get looked over by the few who want to brag that their phone is 3% better.
Manufacturers seem happy to push their tech the extra couple of percent knowing that forums will fill with rhetoric about 'how great it is'.. And the average user will listen to the voice of the majority.
So, please, let's have our voices sound 'sane' and not exaggerate 3% better parts truly don't perform any better 'in the real world'.
We have users who are willing to have 'ultra pixel cameras', more effective (yet lower clocked) CPUs, and battery drain times not in alignment with large quoted battery capacity.
(The battery one is seldom talked about on these boards, but I have owned many batteries that claim less mAh that run rings around generic units quoting much bigger numbers. It won't be long before manufacturers see our squabbles over a few hundred milliamps, and they start going with shite generic parts which 'look better' on the spec sheet, yet perform far far worse on a daily basis...)
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whitedragon, 22 Mar 2016Not really " 'nuff said"..
Reductionist statements sprouting fact?
Sure LCD has burn in (t... moreAfter the Galaxy S6/S6 edge were released, I have actually encountered two 1-month Galaxy S6 edge demo units which had horrible burn in. These were from separate stores. I'm sure that they were roughly 1-month old because I frequent those shops.
Also, I happened to own a Galaxy S4. LG G2 eventually became available in my carrier, so I sold the S4 after a month. Before finally handing it over to the buyer, I inspected the screen. Guess what? Burn in was present. For 1 month of usage, I set the screen to only 50% brightness max. I never left the screen on for prolonged periods of time because I am aware of amoled suffering from burn in. My screen usage time was considerably low because I had an hTc One X as my main mobile. Furthermore, I set the screen color scheme to natural, which I think reduces the energy usage of individual pixels' because color saturation is reduced (correct me if I'm wrong). I never used blue-colored wallpapers as well.
I can recall that the S4 had less intense burn in compared to the S6 edge that I saw, but still, it was PRESENT, and it took only a month to cause horrible burn in!
How about on my One X? None whatsoever. My G2? The same.
Posted using my >2 year old LG G2.
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lol, 22 Mar 2016OLED or AMOLED has same problem with plasma
BURN IN IMAGE.Nuff Said
Not really " 'nuff said"..
Reductionist statements sprouting fact?
Sure LCD has burn in (too).
But we don't hear about it much.
In fact we don't hear about OLED or plasma burning in much either, except from fearful haters of the tech, who didn't buy plasma or OLED.
And then they quote experiences mostly from the nineties or a decade ago.
You know cathode ray tube or CRT monitors (all monitors back when they were wide enough to have a sleeping cat on top) also had burn in.
In the right circumstances we can create a 'burn in' example for any tech (yes LCD included)
Sammy AMOLED I have never had a problem with (still use a nexus s), I have OLED devices from the early 'noughties' without issue.
The only OLED with an issue I have seen (including years working in hock shops) was one unit, by Motorola, that was an old refurbished unit. That holds an etch in it, sometimes, for a moment longer than I expect.
Plasmas, sure, way older models, or cheap brands.
LCDs and CRTs? Many more examples in my personal history.
We all have different tales to tell, and I am sorry if you have been 'burned' (no pun intended) with an inferior OLED at some point...
Hey, maybe share YOUR story?!
Do consider the accuracy of running around shouting "OLED suffers burn in".
It gives the misrepresentation that other screen tech does not. Modern AMOLEDs? Not a problem...
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Fire is dangerous when given air!
'Nuff said
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whitedragon, 21 Mar 2016No, it is useful on all phones; it is just AMOLED doesn't have to fire up the screen if render... moreOLED or AMOLED has same problem with plasma
BURN IN IMAGE.Nuff Said
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Will it still have the dull black menu? .. it bores the hell out especially with its orientation different from every other android.. and its not in a good way..
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whitedragon, 21 Mar 2016No, it is useful on all phones; it is just AMOLED doesn't have to fire up the screen if render... moreAlways on is possible on LCD.. Just turn off the backlight.. Nokia WP phones with lcd has always on feature.. Nokia Asha 501//503 also has always on on lcd.. Heck even 3310 with lcd has always on feature.. Do you remember your gba/gbc without backlight and how long they would last compared to gba-sp with backlight?
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RejZoR, 21 Mar 2016Acer has been using this method for quite a while (Zero Air Gap technology).Yup.. And HTC has been using this S-LCD since HTC One X.. And now it's in 5th generation as shown by the name S-LCD 5
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ethereal, 21 Mar 2016Yeah I know that. But then it will drain the battery very quickly. Always on is useful only on... moreNope.. Always on screen has been on Nokia 3310 lcd and it lasted long.. Recent Nokia implementation with Asha 501/503 also have always on screen on lcd and they lasted long.. Nokia's WP8 phones with lcd also has always on screen.. The trick is to turn off the backlight.. Just like it would be on the old non backlight gba, gbc, gb
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Gibby, 21 Mar 2016I agree also.
Can't go down in screen size after having my note for 3.5 years now.
5.5" mi... moreAgree. Good comments you made.
Step in right direction for HTC
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Tero, 21 Mar 2016Super LCD is just a marketing term, which means a high quality IPS panel. Safe to guess that S... moreHowever, IPS-Neo is still better than Super LCD.
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ethereal, 21 Mar 2016Yeah I know that. But then it will drain the battery very quickly. Always on is useful only on... moreNo, it is useful on all phones; it is just AMOLED doesn't have to fire up the screen if rendering black (where LCDs work hardest, having to fire all three colour channels (four Quattros?)and a light blocker to stop the backlight from being seen.
Hence why amoleds do perfect black, power efficiently, and LCDs have light leakage on a black screen and consume more power on a black screen.
More power consumption is never ideal, but it will not be a deal breaker for many, especially as phones tend to charge at night, which would be the longest period an 'always on screen' might be used.
I had a win phone years ago (very power efficient), and it would last a couple of days/ long enough when using always on screen features..
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Anonymous, 21 Mar 2016If you look at statistics android is based on linux which wipes the floor with windows & i... moreThe problem with Android security, is to do with, the time it takes to implement stop gaps.
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