The "fake" SJ emails are REAL!
Allan, 04 Jul 2010People i work with cant understand what unlocked means.They say bell offers the N97 for 100 or... morei bet i can make them see lol
i've talk to hundreds of people and they actually understood what i was telling them
this is how i explained it
the providers make the phones cheaper on a 3 year plan
the actual price is no contract price on the bottom
i told them as well
if they pay get the cheaper price for the phone they will be put on a contract
or an even easier way to explain it
one time full fee for the phone and make your own plan
or pay low fee and with high bills for 3 years
I was told by a lecturer while studying design in uni that there are no stupid people only stupid designs/products...
[deleted post]People i work with cant understand what unlocked means.They say bell offers the N97 for 100 or 199,since i paid a greater price unlocked.I dont know how many times I've told them the bell price is on contract with a data plan for 2 or more years, probably 3. It doesnt register with them.
brynn, 04 Jul 2010@ Allan ,,thanks for your reply much earlier... This is another angle to look at,,, What... moreHey brynn, wow thats certainly a lot to consider.The only thing i can say about Sim free is the iphone4 only takes a micro sim which you can trim your own sim down but how do you go back to other phones if you want to?
Allan, 04 Jul 2010Yes i googled iphone bumpers and it said "warning you cant dock iphone4 with bumpers on&q... morelooks like stealing and manipulating and being egotistic caught up to them
looks like their market share will decrease a lot LOL can't wait to get a good laugh
just like after the keynotes lol
@ Allan ,,thanks for your reply much earlier...
This is another angle to look at,,,
What if steve jobs/apple say,,look you buy our i-phone on a contract and we will look after you..We will stop flash on your mobile bluetooth transfers and full delivery reports and so on...We will look after your fones so they operate how we want ,we will give you a safe browsing experiance and full help and full support..you must obey these rules and limited options when you sign up..
We will sell you an unlocked i-phone sim free and you can do what you want with it..You can tweak it and mess about with sofware and use android on it etc, BUT at point of sale you will sign a declaration that apple will only gaurantee hardware against defects and not software,, if you damage you fone thru hacking apple will charge you 200GBP to fix this..,,
I would love to see how this would stir up the market and more importantly how many pure i-phone fans would choose the sim free option..???
[deleted post]Why not wrap your phone in invisible shield,that way it might help with your antenna issue and you can keep the thinness and maybe a little more protection incase of a fall.
Anonymous, 04 Jul 2010Here's the reasons why I think you're wrong. And that all these badmouthing and bad pres... moreIphone 4 sold out at Apple store can show 2 things. Which one you choose is up to you.
1) Apple is a cult.
2) There are more id*ots, su*kers, sheeps and wannabes in the world then we first suspected, nobody in their right set of mind goes and buys a faulty "big time" phone on purpose.
So i hear you are waiting for evidence about the faults in form of people returning their phones. Isn't it enough that there are enough people affected buy it to make Apple themselves write a open letter? Or are you still on LALA land?
And you know what, did you read the Apple issued software update that's gonna fix a hardware issue? Did you read that it's gonna be released right after the 30 days full refund is no longer valid?
The software is gonna fix what Apple calls the "antenna bar" issue which is showing wrong reception values. How is wrong reception graphic on the screen gonna fix bad reception, lousy voice audio and dropped calls? This came right after the whole miss and hit "your are not holding your phone the right way" comedy routine.
Really? I refuse to think that reading from your comments that you are not intelligent enough to know something is wrong and Apples pride is bigger than the loyal customers who are getting baseball bats shoved up there as*es as we speak just so Apple won't be embarrased.
Even i think iPhone users deserve better treatment then to be treated like du*b dingbats. You don't always have to so say "how high" when Apple says jump. It's ok to sometimes critisize and demand justice for your hard earned money.
And you iPhone fans should not be put in a situation like this one by Apple here where you have to defend Apple when they don't give a rats ass about you, they don't deserve your loyalty or protection against haters, not this time, and you know it.
I have been mad at RIM som many times over stuff, but in the end they listen and fix stuff, they also are more sincer in accepting faults and giving you a refund or a upgrade you to a new model for free.
deep space bar, 04 Jul 2010wow that sucks i didn't even know about that so the device is a giant flaw it self design and ... moreYes i googled iphone bumpers and it said "warning you cant dock iphone4 with bumpers on" or something like that.
Allan, 04 Jul 2010It is the thinnest smartphone,but not when you add the bumper to help the exposed antenna prob... morewow that sucks i didn't even know about that so the device is a giant flaw it self design and hardware damn that sucks lol
deep space bar, 04 Jul 2010don't even try to pull that we are jealous crap apple messed up they knew this was gonna a ha... moreIt is the thinnest smartphone,but not when you add the bumper to help the exposed antenna problem, then you also cant dock it unless you remove the bumper each time.
[deleted post]don't even try to pull that we are jealous crap
apple messed up they knew this was gonna a happen weeks before the official launch
june 10th 2010 they were aware of this RF issue
that's why they made the bumpers
apple knew they messed up so they and didn't do anything about it except send a letter to all the users
a software issue will not fix improper hardware
and the fact they are looking for RF engineers obviously means they
messed up and are covering it up with an early firmware update
to trick it's users
and and the fact aswell
nokia messed up
nintendo messed up
microsoft messed up
and even sony
same with samsung
they all fixed their mistakes with compensation
a sorry letter
tell people to buy their FIRST PARTY ACCESSORIES the bumper
tell everyone there is no problem when
their clearly was even other RF engineers stated the problem as well
poor quality materials for the phone
and now they are getting lawsuits from people,huge manufacturers,foxxcon the assembly plant exposed for poor working conditions and mass suicides
and as well they try to blame AT&T for poor reception
even though they had 3 previous generations of phones on the same network
Anonymous, 03 Jul 2010well,
I think you really need to keep counting both the iphone4 number in sales & $$$.
... moreHere's the reasons why I think you're wrong. And that all these badmouthing and bad press will not really affect iphone sales.
1. The distrust is mostly coming from haters who are non iphone users. So it's not like they're going to buy the iphone anyway.
2. The more you hate iphone users, the more we would love our iphones.
1. Nokia will keep on suing Apple even when Apple is innocent for the sake of bad publicity.
2. Class suits will continue from law firms because they see Apple as a gold mine.
I think you really need to keep counting both the iphone4 number in sales & $$$.
because most of the swinger won't buy iPhone4 due to:
1. wait and see
2. distrusts apple brand
3. hate apple attitude towards their user
and the lawsuit won't be cheap.
1. nokia and others suing apple for stealing their innovation
2. the disgruntle iphone4 user suing apple for stealing their money
3. the raise at foxcon salary
4. the blame that were put on AT&T. apple surely slap AT&T with money for the deal
In situations like this, apple can do 2 things to do damage control.
1. Recall the Iphone4 and cause millions of loss for the start, but collect billions in a few months.
2. Issue a software upgrade that will show fake signal strength. Calls will continue to drop. Apple will not make any losses for the beginning. Will eventually cause billions of loss due to making fools out of consumers, resulting a huge loss in consumer trust.
So Apple, will you follow the way of Toyota, recall the phone and apologize or will you make fools out of us?
Anonymous, 03 Jul 2010You obviously do not own an iphone4. It makes calls. Much better actually than the 3gs.
... moreI do not hate iPhones, I'm just afraid to pay 700€ for a phone that would become not more than an expensive iPod if the antenna issue is not solved.
The second point is that Mr Jobs is not very fair with its users. How can he judge the "good" way to hold a phone while all Apple pictures show the "bad way"? He should better admit that his engineers failed.
Anonymous, 03 Jul 2010There is a reason why they do things the way they do. Their decisions of the placement of the... more"Phonemakers are required by law to place the antenna as far from your brain as possible".
I think the iphone engineers/designers are placing the antenna too far from their own brain