Anonymous, 14 May 2016Only spec 'lowered' is display size. But that cant be called a downgradeSo going back to 1080p recording isn't considered lowered spec?
Sony is just utter disappointment for year to year. In the beginning when they switched from Ericsson to just SONY. The prices really amused me, they were so competitive and considered reasonable with good curved designs with the mid ranged phones. Whoever still remember Xperia Arc S.. That was the bomb though it carried the Ericsson logo. The first Xperia M was nice to hold with good speaker even with single setup. The moment Z3 & compact kicked in.. Z5 compact which made it worst. Everything just went drown the drain. Sony suppose to be the masters of curved designs and Speakers. what are they doing with these flat boring cuboids with not so loud speakers?
At least they have a good midranger with the Xperia XA.
If the damn thing was waterproof, I would have bought one...
A longtime Sony phan, whose next phone will be a Moto G4 (hint: IP68!)
Ed, 14 May 2016None of the X series models have good camera. Even the Performance doesn't have the OIS. There... morePlease stop talk about ios steadyshoot do the job better.Sony with small battery capacity can do the same or better than others companies...the gsmarena test of x series will confirmed that.
Sony cant make it. Always missing some main features. Its like they are saying its not worth the effort cuz too much competition and thts what theyl get. Luckily samsung is doing a good job. Very pathetic..
Grey1213, 14 May 2016Look. They introduced three new phones. A high end, a mid range, and a low end. Right?
Now ... moreRemember how the x series was introduced, right? It ended up everyone still expecting a z6 lineup afterwards. Shortly, we learned that it is the z's successor. The C and M series/lineup suddenly got kicked out. It should have been replacements, then declare that C and M series will be discontinued.
If you insist that the x series should cover that, then it is a new strategy by them.
We are in the comments section. There are plethoras of opinion here which you might find pounceworthy. I might get what you say one of these days.
And thank you for the ice cream :)
None of the X series models have good camera. Even the Performance doesn't have the OIS. There's also too many megapixels on such small sensor. So Sony is behind the competition. The battery is also small - 2700 mAh while the competition has 3000 mAh (HTC 10, Galaxy S7).
Gon-j, 14 May 2016"That's not true. They introduced the x series, and they made three versions of it, the high e... moreLook. They introduced three new phones. A high end, a mid range, and a low end. Right?
Now why would they remove their old phones from the line up because their new phones aren't doing well?
Its like eating ice cream, and then one day you eat a different ice cream that tastes really bad, so you decide to stop eating any other ice cream. That's stupid right? You would only stop eating other ice cream if the new one tastes good, right?
If not, and you agree there hasn't been enough time to check the sales of the new phone. Then you have to understand that it was planned. In hindsight, what you said has no basis, at all. And it makes sense to say that the x series and the new phones were introduced to replace the old ones, just like the z series. Why would they get rid of the high end phone, and then keep two copies of the mid and low end phones?
I hope by now you understand all the different holes in your thought process. Its not really a matter of people having different opinions.
Terrible idea imo, the z series loyals respect the line and know there won't be any compromises. Now there will be distrust when one will be being smth from the x-line he is about to purchase is a flagship or midrange. They will lose more from that, rather than the ones who will get midrange expecting flagship characteristics. GL Sony, i am out...
Grey1213, 14 May 2016That's not true. They introduced the x series, and they made three versions of it, the high en... more"That's not true. They introduced the x series, and they made three versions of it, the high end one, the mid-range one, and the low-end one. If they replaced the z series with the high end one, them the natural assumption was they would do the same with the other two x phones."
>Which should be the right move. Then what about the C and M series getting pulled out?
"Regardless, it is incorrect to think it is an omen when it is clearly a consequence of introducing the x series. Even if at the time it could only be called speculation, saying it 'may' be an omen in hindsight when it is pretty clear the x series was meant to replace them doesn't make any sense."
>Again, it is embarassing to state with certainty when we cannot. That is my opinion and impression. And you saying that it's pretty clear, then i respect your opinion. Please give me some time to absorb on how you understand these things.
"Especially when you're saying its because the x series was a failure or something. "
>Yes, I implied. But not all of it. This news here is a part of it. And every event that led to what I think.
" Its clearly the opposite."
>I can't say for sure on my part. We need some expert reviews, get a wind of their sales figures.. These things take time, we'll see what happens and then we'll get a clearer picture.
Phinch88, 14 May 2016 "but you can hardly see X series better than than samsung's upper midranges" Xperia X ... moreYou forgot that A5 got brighter apertures, OIS, samsung pay, is lighter, more thin with bigger battery and display(and screen to body ratio...). There is also exynos version and screen is way better(colors, outdoor visibility, battery saving black). Even if you say S820 is great, not everyone needs so much power in phone, more important I would say is power efficiency and that A5 got it right. As for IPXX, it's worth nothing based on how sony acts. Even if its about money, sony xperia X is twice the price, X performance in my country tripple that. Also even if X series got more Mp, you probably know(you should) about quality of details in shots, so you can be more happy with hi-quality, low-price and not over-kill Mp camera. I also want to be sony fan, but they are getting nowhere.
Gon-j, 14 May 2016"Wrong. This much was rumoured with the advent of the x series."
>I did not mention the o... moreThat's not true. They introduced the x series, and they made three versions of it, the high end one, the mid-range one, and the low-end one. If they replaced the z series with the high end one, them the natural assumption was they would do the same with the other two x phones.
Regardless, it is incorrect to think it is an omen when it is clearly a consequence of introducing the x series. Even if at the time it could only be called speculation, saying it 'may' be an omen in hindsight when it is pretty clear the x series was meant to replace them doesn't make any sense.
Especially when you're saying its because the x series was a failure or something. Its clearly the opposite.
Grey1213, 14 May 2016Wrong. This much was rumoured with the advent of the x series. That was the whole point of int... more"Wrong. This much was rumoured with the advent of the x series."
>I did not mention the omen thing with certainty. What part of "might" that you didn't get?
You and I are not part of Sony's executive committee. So to state as if we know for sure what we are saying about their move is embarassing.
"That was the whole point of introducing it."
>Not entirely correct. We can only speculate much.
>>Does every smartphone company pushes a couple of variant clean-up because they need to focus on the newly released ones?
>>Whenever they(Samsung, Apple, HTC, LG, etc.) release new ones, it keeps on piling up. But there's only a few I could mention that they need to get rid of because it has been renamed, a fresh batch replacement, and so on.
Sounds good to me, nothing wrong with streamlining the lineup.
But if they were really going to go the 'no compromise' route, the'd have to release the X performance in the Malaysia and Singapore too, wouldn't they?
It really pisses me off, but if that won't happen I will be forced to go with another brand, as Singapore carriers wont get it.
Once SONY is capable of delivering a good smartphone - I mean "less unwieldy + a 5-inch screen and all other advantages", then they will sell more.
For example, the latest flagship is immense, I am sure SONY can reduce its height by a centimetre and diminish its width by several millimetres. For now, SONY smartphones are too big and have no real advantages other than the design and, maybe, a couple of speakers.
It doesn't matter how many times they rename the line (Xperia X are equal to Xperia Z, they only replaced glass with metal - this is not a top, great achievement) if they aren't able to develop a true flagship. SONY haven't made yet a Nexus smartphone, whilst Samsung, LG, and even HTC did that.
PS: still, this is funny to see that Apple sells so many iPhones that are even bigger.
Carmanen, 14 May 2016I don't think so... ...i'd say at least Z5 and maybe Z3 series will receive Android N update, ... moreDefinitely Z3 plus and Z5 series will get N, no doubt on that.
Maybe even Z3 will get, because it already has N Developer preview