Jumbo, 10 Jun 2016..But only and exclusively because of the SD810. Which is hardly Sony's fault, other than the ... moreHey man, first off, appreciate your insight on the matter ! What's your take on the XP ? Do you think it will be worth it ? How about its new fast sensor without having OIS ? Hope you don't mind the questions and thanks in advance !
Jumbo, 10 Jun 2016..But only and exclusively because of the SD810. Which is hardly Sony's fault, other than the ... moreYes because all versions of the 810 have those issues like I said. However I think Sony's design language served to exasperate those issues, the nexus 6p for instance doesn't seem to suffer as bad as the Z5 series.
So Sony might have to settle with a little of the blame (but yes the majority of it can of course go to Qualcomm).
Gonna have to agree to disagree with you on this "So claims that by its nature of being an Xperia, it will likely suffer from overheating, are 100% without basis." as I think there have been such issues to varying degree's going back several generation of Xperia now.
I'm from the UK, a country not known for its Sunny climate I think you'll agree, yet there are plenty of counts of UK based Xperia users complaining about these thermal issues.
But I will agree with you to some degree on this, the is little reason to expect the X-P to suffer from these issues (I don't think it can be entirely ruled out).
Lex79, 10 Jun 2016Pretty much all versions of the 810 had some degree of issue with thermal management.
Sony'... more..But only and exclusively because of the SD810. Which is hardly Sony's fault, other than the fact that they chose to use it after the issues everyone else had. So claims that by its nature of being an Xperia, it will likely suffer from overheating, are 100% without basis. You could basically say the same about every model of phone sold in Dubai, since I'm sure their phones heat up allll the time just because they're out in hot weather.
Now the X-p is coming with 820. There is ---no--- reason to think that it will have any heating issues whatsoever, just like all the other SD820 phones that have been released and tested thus far.
Jumbo, 10 Jun 2016The original SD810, yes. THough that was everyone's problem, and not just Sony's. Ironically b... morePretty much all versions of the 810 had some degree of issue with thermal management.
Sony's solution was to throw in a pair of Heatpipes, but as Anandtech put it: "having a heat-pipe thermal dissipation system is a quite worrying characteristic of the phone and should in no way be seen as a positive feature"
Now that quote is Anandtech referring to the S7's use of a heatpipe, however it doesn't paint a very flattering picture of the state of the 810 when it came time for Sony to put it into the Z5 now does it, considering they saw the need to include two of the things.
And I wouldn't say hysterical is the correct term to apply to the accusation made by many that 'Sony's always overheat' either (especially when talking of the Z5 series), is it an entirely accurate assessment?......no, but where there's smoke there's fire, and Xperia's do have a rather poor reputation where thermal properties are concerned.
Jumbo, 10 Jun 2016The original SD810, yes. THough that was everyone's problem, and not just Sony's. Ironically b... moreNot really. The z3 had some overheating problems, the z5 which dealt with the snapdragon810 had overheating problems too. And this is more so than other phones that used the sd810. Its presumably because they don't use ois and rely on a lot software to make their camera work.
Although these problems don't seem to be experienced by all users, its difficult to see why some people experience it and others don't.
HigherPrimate, 10 Jun 2016i am getting it to, or the z5, have not decided yet depends on what you want from your phone and how much you want to spend. the only downside to Z5 compared to this is that it houses the snapdragon 810 which is told to have heating issues. apart from that, dunno why one would pay ~£100 or more to get sony x instead of z5.
Grey1213, 10 Jun 2016But it does stop working. You could find complaints of overheating for most of the xperia seri... moreThe original SD810, yes. THough that was everyone's problem, and not just Sony's. Ironically because of their slow production line they were the ones best-placed to avoid the whole issue by dealing with it before releasing the Z3+, since they had all that time to learn about the problems others were having. But of course they had to plunge in and even end up with the worst of the blame for it. That's actually the point I started to get worried about what Sony were doing.
I've heard --very-- few substantiated reports of Xperia devices since then having any problem at all. Just random shouts of "Sonys always overheat" from various corners. Seems a bit hysterical, if you ask me.
Can't disagree with you on the camera sensor / processing front, though. You'd think they'd realise their flaw and team up with someone with good processing and give them a bit of a deal on the sensors in exchange for some tips on how to actually use them.. :p
Ciro123, 10 Jun 2016Wait dximark rewiew xperia x and news xperias device of september lolWhy? We've already seen the pictures and we can already see it has problems with the number of artifacts, and its a processing mess.
Sony makes good sensors but they don't seem to know how to make the software to make it work.
Anonymous, 10 Jun 2016Ok Sony fanboy, So Who is rank #1 and #2 on Dxomark? I'll give you a clue, it not Sony.i ask you. what sensor does they use to become no #1 and #2 on dxomark ?
Ciro123, 10 Jun 2016Lg no send lg g5 dxomark, because you videocamara is a garbage. Its actually quite good, not the best on the market but good enough.
Jumbo, 10 Jun 2016Let's get this straight dude. Overheating means it shuts down and/or stops working because it ... moreBut it does stop working. You could find complaints of overheating for most of the xperia series in the past year, at the very least.
Should sell in entire Europe not only in UK and Gemany in some retailers. What hell of strategy is what Sony has to the global market? Like this it become worse and then is when they sell much less. That is because their mobile division is entering in bankruptcy, because they don't stand and don't get to compete against Samsung because they haven't no chances.
imparanoic, 10 Jun 2016every phone has advantages and disadvantages
sony's advantages over samsung
LDAC = audi... moreBut those things are niche features with very little value.
Take ldac for example. How many people are actually audiophiles? A minority. How many of them would use wireless? An even smaller minority. How many of them would buy Sony's ldac headphones? An even smaller minority.
It doesn't really compare to the flaws, except for a really, really small minority. Same way I didn't even bring up lack of wireless charging, lack of ip68 in warrantee, lack of game tuner app that allows you to change resolution, etc. The list goes on and on when you start desperately clinging to straws.
Grey1213, 10 Jun 2016I mean that even if it was priced the same as the s7, you've basically got a lot of shortcomin... moreLet's get this straight dude. Overheating means it shuts down and/or stops working because it got toooo hot. It does --NOT-- mean it just got warm. Things can get warm, fine. It's not a problem. It's ONLY a problem if it burns you, or if something breaks or gives up or craps out, whatever. So stop spreading mis-information everywhere. Everything gets warm. Maybe Sonys get warmer than others. Big F'n deal. As long as it still does its job without complaining it's not even relevant.
So quit with the "Overheating", that's almost a blatant lie.
Anonymous, 10 Jun 2016Ok Sony fanboy,
So Who is rank #1 and #2 on Dxomark?
I'll give you a clue, it not Sony.Z5 is a 2015 flagship, yet only 1 point below Z5. Obviously the X and XP will be added of Z5 ;)
And also, HTC 10 and Z5 score identical scores for Dxomark Image and Dxomark Video, but 10 gets one point more overall. What does this mean? HTC paid Dxomark. Which is why they reviewed the phone the day it was announced, whereas they still didn't give a review for LG G5 which released before HTC 10.