Jon SWE, 22 Aug 2010well when I was talking about the battery in that post, I was talking about a top of the line ... morewell processors and performance really depend on the operating system
that's why the N8 can get away with the Arm 680mhz
so i wouldn't be making any conclusions about any processor atm.
deep space bar, 22 Aug 20101500mah is fine
and you forgot that meego is like symbian3 OPTIMIZED like mad
so it won't ... morewell when I was talking about the battery in that post, I was talking about a top of the line device i wish they had. One with a large screen, very good camera and so on.
And if you already have a large camera module, perhaps even with optical zoom, well then you already have the thickness to accomondate an 1850mah battery.
Well No, MeeGo surely is optimized but from what we can learn of the N900, 1320mah isnt enough. And the battery in this leeked proto was just about that powerfull.
I sad I hope they didnt put snapdragon in there, as the one in Galaxy S would be a much better fit.
But there have been a lot of rumours of a nokia device with snapdragon... And its not the most effective solution. Like you mentined A9 is better... and the one in Galaxy S is better... so lets hope its not a snapdragon.
Anonymous, 22 Aug 2010hey people don't forget Nokia still not release S series :)Yes, Nokias Skype phone - Nokia S
Lets see what's going on there
Jon SWE, 22 Aug 2010all rumours, though... and since Nokia setled with qualcomm, it might be a Snapdragon but the ... moreWhen you make a video call with a front facing led, how do you expect to see the screen in front of you?
Jon SWE, 22 Aug 2010all rumours, though... and since Nokia setled with qualcomm, it might be a Snapdragon but the ... more1500mah is fine
and you forgot that meego is like symbian3 OPTIMIZED like mad
so it won't need a huge battery
and not sure about the snapdragon
but the A9 would be a better choice
you should see the demo
A9 500mhz vs N450 1ghz
deep space bar, 22 Aug 20101ghz ARM A8 or A9
256 - 512mb RAM
same stuff as the N8
minus 12mp camera all rumours, though... and since Nokia setled with qualcomm, it might be a Snapdragon but the one used in galaxy S is much prefered.
Ram should be fine... 256MB and total 1GB with virtual. Or 512MB and 1GB with virtual. So Im not worried.
The 8mp is probably true. Lets hope its as good 8MP camera as the latest 5MP camera modules from nokia was at caputring 5MP. We cant hope for the N86 8MP one, since i guess that is bigger than a normal module. But lets hope they took some knowledge from the developing of N8, perhaps using that filter and as capable lens... but I guess that is hoping for a bit too much.
I think nokia screwed up the model numbers... Then should have made N8, N7, and the N9, N8, so they would leave room for an uncompromised device at the top of the line. The camera of todays N8 or better, perhaps even optical zoom. Sure you pay with size, but some customers are willing to do that, to get the best.
Big screen for good computer experience. yet again at the prize of a larger screen.
High performance battery, again paid for with size of the device... like 1850mAh.
And so on.
Im sure they would sell some of those. Its nice to know that you get the best of the best. Makes for a easier choice for some.
They should do the same in the E series, with a MeeGo based qwerty flip-up or perhaps convertible screen configuaration. 5" or just below in screen size, a real enterprise device, a good replacement for the communicator range. Front facing camera with Led.
And at the top of the X series, big screen, perhaps 16:9 resolution, to make it perfect for multimedia consumption. and perhaps extra powerfull headphone amp, for those good headphones out there.
Im also waiting for the specs of this device.
I could be an awesome device.
Lets hope Nokia dares to mkae the USB, USB-host compatible.
And hope the get a good cpu + gpu combo. not saying that the qualcomm dualcore 1.5 GHZ CPU is the perfect solution... I think that one really is meant for smartbooks and not really mobiles today. an ARM cpu is almost given. And that is good, cause we really want to be sure that MeeGo will have a developer platform for ARM cpus as well.
The Ram im not worried about... N900 had 1GB in total, with the virtual, and that is pretty good.
Lets hope its as open as N900 so you can install other OSes in dualboot.
The battery is worrysome, they really have to put enough power in there... afterall, you expect a device like this to be online and check status of your contacts all the time, and that puts a strain on the battery. Sure, I have an emergency charger, with rechargble AA batteries, but that is a workaround, not a real solution. And there are limits to battery optimization, the N900 didnt have enough juice.
Storage will most likely be enough. We can expect some Gigs, and memorycard slot, so even if its only 16, thats ok (and there is probably at least USB-otg, so you can play music and video that way as well... and with faster transfer to that memory than USB cable connected to the phone).
Lets really hope this gets a magnetometer, they excluded it from N900, despite it was on the specifications in the beggining, I dont know if the specs were wrong, but its too bad its not in there.
Lets hope for OVI Maps with voice navigation. Free or not, just the oppurtunity is a huge step. from N900.
A free office suite, would be welcome, and in a release state.
And lets hope Sport-tracker is working on a Meego version. its a very good software. Nice with the accelerometer support for stepcounting, and not only GPS tracking.
3.5G is given.
GPS, as well.
Bluetooth, probably 3.0.
good Wifi support.
But I guess that IR port is too much to ask for. Look at redeye for iPhone/iPod touch/iPad, its great, imagine beeing able to do those things without a dongle. Sure N900 had a multi-remote application, just not as easy to use. But if the IR is missing, then someone has to make that acessorie, and that is hoping for too much at least in the beginning of MeeGo as a platform. And this device will porbably still not really be a mainstream device.
And lets hope we get something like Gimp running on it... running debian inside maemo wasnt a good solution. Sure a gimp like application would not be very powerfull in a mobile device, but running natively would make it more powerfull than on N900, plus there will probably be more dedicated RAM, and a more Powerfull CPU, you might be able to do some stuff in the mobile at least.
exNokiaFan, 22 Aug 20101. okay lets break it down once again. I corrected my statement that S40 is not considered a &... moreyou didnt correct yourself, since you still stated that nokia claims those S40 phones are "smart phones", they do not!
No, those basic phones with S60 you talk about, are definately smartphones... basic phones running older versions of android can be disceussed whether or not they are smartphones. iPhone can be discuessed whether or not its a smartphone. Those basic S60 phones are smartphones per definition! You might think that a smartphone should have the latest CPU and a touchscreen, that is not so! Then you are wrong a smartphone should run a smart OS. A OS that doesnt support filetransfer via bluetooth is not a smart OS. BT is very usefull in many situations. It takes one longer to dig up a usb-cable connect it and transfer photos to a computer, than connecting via bluetooth and sending them that way, despite the speed limits of Bluetooth. Transfer between devices cant be made by 3.5G or USB, and seldom via Wifi. And the speeds you talk about are not relevant for filetransfer from one unit to another, you have to count the minutes it takes to send in from one unit, and the time it takes to download it on the other device. If you do this thru an email client, there are other factors in play, then just your upload and download speeds... your speeds to that mail client are probably slower. and the download on the other unit might very well be slower than that. There are more phones with Bluetooth, than with either wifi or 3.5G/4G, so BT is the standard here, even if you add USB-on-the-Go and USB-host support to taht, bluetooth is more common.
You are the one saying USB is so much more relevant, that a unit missing BT wont miss a thing, cause it has USB.
That not true!
A smartphone today will most likely have both.
You are the one that cant understand what people is writing, since you talk about USB, when others talk about Bluetooth, and the only relevant technology within the USB-realm in that case is wireless USB.
No iTunes is not a smart way.
You will have problems transfering folders with playlists in them. Not smart. And you will find no other way to do this with a iPhone that is not jailbroken.
iTunes doesnt run smoothly in Windows enviroment.
There are other phones that work with both iTunes and other software, often thru some kind of client. This is because itunes is pretty locked down. Not a smart thing when you want to sell as many tracks and videos as possible. Apple knows they cant get all potential iTunes customers to buy an apple product, just to be able to use iTunes.
No, using iTunes for music on an iPhone, seems logical to an iPod + itunes user. Not the most pratical, but that is what they expect, however, the part where syncing and photo transfer is made in the same way is unlogical to a user that has been on another smartphone system before, someone used to drag and drop. Someone used to small clients that can sync to your outlook/office software. itunes in this case is a big change.
No statistics about smartphones include dumbphones, are you just downright stupid?
The worldwide phone sells, that is a different statistic from worldwide smartphones sales. Please get it allready! Smartphone statistics, only smartphones. Nokia about 40%. Worldwide sells of mobiles, nokia still about 40%. Just because the figures for nokia look about the same, does not make them the same statistics!
exNokiaFan, 22 Aug 20101. okay lets break it down once again. I corrected my statement that S40 is not considered a &... moreWell from wat I have seen from my friends which are IPhone users, they certainly are pleased with not so important stuff like games and useless apps, but as they say they are missing lots of stuff in terms of communication, battery life, and signal issues oh ya and file transfer. They all have a standard Nokia as a primary phone and an iPhone as a secondary phone, I have had an IPhone 3gs myself and I couldn't depend on it as an affective phone. In my opinion IPhone users are only happy in the U.S because of the contracts they get by their carriers unlike other parts of the world.
And still now as a nexus one user I do have my Nokia e72 which has my primary number.
Apple isn't a telecommunication company and certainly didn't start as one. Don't listen to advertisements and key notes, don't love something and believe in it and admit as if ur happy while ur not from the inside, listen to people who always use phones and try them, people who know the meaning of communication, not from now but from the days when phones started evolving, and certainly don't listen to Jobs he is very smart and knows how sell. If u want me to explain why I can write a whole article about it, but if u want I can.
Anonymous, 21 Aug 2010please stop posting BS, when have you seen a S40 device marketed as Smartphone?
They dont mar... moreokay i'm gonna have to reply to this in a series of comments as my original comment was way too long the system didn't allow it.
1. The remark about data transfer was not confined from phone to phone. It was general over all data transfer. USB on the go I never claimed it was a great idea or a bad idea. I said the idea was redundant. So again your comment is irrelevant.
2. Now lets get back to the sale figures shall we? Simple googling will show you tons of data showing how much iphone 3GS has sold. Fastcompany.com has an article dated Apr 5th 2010. According to said article the iphone 3GS has sold over 1 million units within 3 days. Is this a flop? I don't know you tell me. The Iphone 3GS was merely a stop gap from iphone 3G to the Iphone 4 addressing some issues such as overheating with the Iphone 3G and 3G data reception.
Bluetooth is also capable of browsing files. Like i said earlier i can access files on my phone through bluetooth on my laptop.
t would be really nice if bluetooth OTG is implemented for file browsing with bluetooth 3.0 speeds. but then all phones will need to have 3.0 or above
Anonymous, 22 Aug 2010you are so wrong.
We are talking about phones, and bluetooth is more common than USB-on-the-g... moreLOL another person with the inability to comprehend the english language. The remark about data transfer was not confined from phone to phone. It was general over all data transfer. USB on the go I never claimed it was a great idea or a bad idea. I said the idea was redundant. So again your comment is irrelevant.
Now lets get back to the sale figures shall we? Simple googling will show you tons of data showing how much iphone 3GS has sold. Fastcompany.com has an article dated Apr 5th 2010. According to said article the iphone 3GS has sold over 1 million units within 3 days. Is this a flop? I don't know you tell me. The Iphone 3GS was merely a stop gap from iphone 3G to the Iphone 4 addressing some issues such as overheating with the Iphone 3G and 3G data reception.
"Nokia tried to tell journalist this time and time againg, but still journalist kept writing about the product like it was a competitor for the iPhone. They tried to analyze the OS, like it was a finnished product for the mass market. It was just a fist edition. It didnt even come with portrait mode, so that should have been pretty obvious. But people like you never understood.
Perhaps you bought it, perhaps that is a lie. But if you bought it and thought, I will get as many apps as with an iPhone, and I will get a mainstream OS, then o boy did you buy the wrong product! You should have listened to Nokia, not journalist telling you its the iphone competitor from Nokia."
So you say the N900 isn't a high end smart phone? Its not a niche product, a niche product is more like a segway when compared to a bike. Nokia seems to market their N900 as a high end smart phone. Didn't you watch any of the promotional video? it always ended with someone calling the phone. You say its a niche product? how is it a niche product? Because it uses Maemo rather than Symbian? Then according to you was the G1 a niche product as well? it didn't use any of the coventional and readily available os. So again tell me what sets the N900 apart when comparing it to something like the Nexus 1, Motorola Droid?
It's ok having USB OTG just in case you have some valuable files on some external removable drive which you carry along with you, USB OTG uses the phone as a host to connect oher Mobile phones, hard drives, Usb thumb drives etc...
The BT3.0 . It uses the WiFI module stadard probably B standard to transfer at 24MBPS images, audio, but also now capable of transferring (video) with the higher bandwith Peer to Peer, phone to phone. Also most laptops now have BT built in so do car stereo systems.
So tbh it's going to be handy having USB OTG aswell as BT3.0. BT3.0 will always be popular for quick file transfers of content you do not have between friends & family. It's a more convenient way to do things. But USB OTG give you the ability to manage files across external mediums.
Anonymous, 21 Aug 2010please stop posting BS, when have you seen a S40 device marketed as Smartphone?
They dont mar... more1. okay lets break it down once again. I corrected my statement that S40 is not considered a "smart phone" did I not? I said i only used it to convey a point, Nokia has loads of S60 phones that are low end which you really shouldn't consider a smart phone.
2. You need some English comprehension lessons, I talk about USB as it is pretty convenient in this day and age, its the fastest and most efficient method to transfer data. You say BT is faster than 3.5G? I don't know about you by my 3.5G usually is about 3.4-3.8Mbps down, almost 1Mbps up. BT is fast if you're within distance BT 2.0/2.1 is limited to 3Mbits transfer rate not including overhead. Like another user posted with over they are receiving 200KB/s. Now when did I ever mention Wireless USB? You clearly can't read my friend, or maybe your love for nokia is making you jump to conclusions.
3. "Apple might have their reason for not implementing file manager, bt transfer and drag and drop, but clearly that is not a smart solution, and a smartphone should have smart solutions, not stupid ones like itunes for transfer to and from your computer. And no, a person who has had an iPod, and a smartphone from another maufactor dont see itunes as the logic solution. And with ipods, there are other programs for music transfer, but with iPhone there is not alternative programs for syncing, filetransfer."
Iphone does have a smart solution, it has itunes, which manages all your music, allows you to create playlist which will work for your iphone and ipod. Once again you have a problem with english comprehension. As I said, most people who bought an Iphone most likely already have an Ipod. Most Ipod users use itunes so its only logical to have itunes do the data syncing for the iphones. Most users agree with this, as you can tell by polls that iphone users are over all very PLEASED with the experience about their phones. How is the itunes not logical or a genius implementation of application, media syncing, and what not? Have you ever used an iphone? I can pick any application on my desktop/laptop via itunes and set it to download the next time the iphone syncs.
You keep saying how I don't know anything yet you fail to post any information only statements made by you. I say nokia only has a large marketshare of smartphones because they include alot of low end dumb phones into these figures. Can you post a link stating which phones nokia includes in these sale figures?
I sure can't wait to see the specifications for this Mobile. It seems we might see the first meego devices early 2011. To say this phone has changed from the early proto to a completely refined proto already from the outside. I wonder what has been going on on the inside?
Will YOU buy Meego so early on? Are YOU willing to risk the first release of a new OS? Linux certainly has lots of potential, especially with the backup of search Industry behemoths in hardware & software. I can't wait to see where this one goes. Nokia finally just might have something here to help them play catch up. Whatever happens maybe Nokia will finally put some power in this especially as a tablet Web based device will probably handle higher specs, even though they may not be needed. It will be flexible across the devices it's installed upon.
exNokiaFan, 21 Aug 2010but theres so many flaws for your statment. Bluetooth is not as popular nor as common as usb. ... moreyou are so wrong.
We are talking about phones, and bluetooth is more common than USB-on-the-go or USB-host, as that is required for transfer between two mobile devices.
Oh well, according to the way you interpret statistics by manufactors, iPhone 3Gs was a flop, I only hear of total sells of iphone, dont hear of sales per model, so it must have been a flop.
Nokia N900 have sold no where near as much as iPhone, and was never intended to do that. If they present sales figures, people like you would claim its a flop, cause it didnt sell millions. The numbers does not really matter on a nische product as N900. And from the start, it was more of a nische product than Nexus One. Nokia tried to tell journalist this time and time againg, but still journalist kept writing about the product like it was a competitor for the iPhone. They tried to analyze the OS, like it was a finnished product for the mass market. It was just a fist edition. It didnt even come with portrait mode, so that should have been pretty obvious. But people like you never understood.
Perhaps you bought it, perhaps that is a lie. But if you bought it and thought, I will get as many apps as with an iPhone, and I will get a mainstream OS, then o boy did you buy the wrong product! You should have listened to Nokia, not journalist telling you its the iphone competitor from Nokia.
exNokiaFan, 21 Aug 2010I merely used S40 based phones to prove my point. That point was that Nokia has a large repert... moreplease stop posting BS, when have you seen a S40 device marketed as Smartphone?
They dont market them as smartphones, and they are not included in smartphone sales, please give that up!
Besides you clearly dont know the meaning of the word innovation. There is no innovative products out there. iOS wasnt, Android wasnt. They are just products, as the rest. Holographic displays, that would be innovation. A whole new standard for transering information, that is faster and more inuative that whats out there now, that is innovative. A new UI, that does the same thing as other UIs, that is not innovation.
And you clearly dont get it.
A smartphone should have all the features of a "dumb-phone" plus more.
BT file transer is a higly effective wireless tranfsfer method.
And it quicker than 3.5G most of the time.Sure its not as fast as Wifi, but bluetooth is present in more devices. And its much simpler to connect device to device with Bluetooth than with wifi.
You talk about USB, well there is no wireless USB, it never came to market. And no phone ever has had that built in.
I never said that Android didnt have drag and drop from the beggining, just mentioning features, that should be on a phone in order for it to be called smartphone, and one or the other feature is missing on current products, marketed as smartphones. Android is a smartphone os today, but if you look at older itterations, there are things missing!
Windows mobile and symbian have a long list of features, that were still missing in below 2.0 versions of android and not untill 2.2 did they introduce saving apps on memorycard.
It clearly has not been up to the task of being a smartphone OS!
iOS is still far from one.
Apple might have their reason for not implementing file manager, bt transfer and drag and drop, but clearly that is not a smart solution, and a smartphone should have smart solutions, not stupid ones like itunes for transfer to and from your computer. And no, a person who has had an iPod, and a smartphone from another maufactor dont see itunes as the logic solution. And with ipods, there are other programs for music transfer, but with iPhone there is not alternative programs for syncing, filetransfer.