What the point ditching then 2.5mm then?? Phones will still need audio codec chip for onboard earpiece and loud speakers or the'll ditch them as well and make all the phone users talk using headphones/earphones??
Phone trends sounds and feels more like Kim.K story these days....lol
Anonymous, 27 Jun 2016Until there are wide choices for audiophiles, I will stick with 3.5mm.There ARE wide choices for audiophiles.
I'm an enthusiast. The title it self vague by any means. The question better be "Which is more convenient or which is more preferable" instead.
The comparison between both can be billions:1 or 1:billions based on the setup you have shall I answer the question on above, too many variables and can't be concluded.
Atm, why don't we keep both. We use 3.5mm for travelling and USB for home audio. Sometimes, even though audiophiles, no need to have a great setup when travelling because we need fairly quiet environment when enjoying our setup.
Bluetooth/Wi-Fi are good alternatives, but audio processing over it shall be improved.
AnonD-375713, 27 Jun 2016some interesting and valid points shown here, maybe I could respond with some of my own consid... moreIndeed.
Actually I got a BT headset many years ago, but never really used it, as it was always dead when I needed it so always needed to carry a wired set as well. I have had a number of NC headsets, and carries a bunch of extra batteries (use 1xAAA) for it, as it 'always' dries out when you really need it. But at least it is 'only' the NC functionality that is gone when the battery is depleted... I would just love if they had the power from the device IF it was a standard plug (and not seriously drained the device battery of course).
As the horrible Iphone hasn't got dab+ and not even FM I have used the headset less the last year or so. My small portable dab+ radio drains its battery so quickly that it is impractical... so I end up not using either.
Until there are wide choices for audiophiles, I will stick with 3.5mm.
for music fans 3.5mm jack is the one and only
ALL professional earphones are 3.5mm.and will be.
for casual user it doesn't matter they would use whatever comes in the phone package.
do not talk about music experience at all if the phones does not come with a 3.5mm jack talk about something else.
I could have agreed with the Bluetooth/wireless part, but the hassle of the wires was just transformed into charging the devices. They dont last long hours too.
Your article is also missing one important technical part which made this craze plausible. That is, Type-C can allow analog audio to pass through the cables and avoid the DAC in the earphones. This is the source of the dilemma as the headset can have multiple additional features while having analog audio.
Really superb article mate. Gave me a clear insight into this, honestly can't thank you enough.
AptX is a LOSSY codec, not lossless. The problem with Bluetooth audio is that your music gets compressed TWICE. Once when you convert your FLACs to MP3/AAC/Ogg Vorbis (or if you buy in those formats) and then again by the A2DP protocol. Almost no one will be able to hear the difference between the losless file and it's lossy counterpart at say 256K. But when you compress the lossy music again, then a lot more people will be able to tell.
So, if you want your music to only have lossy compression applied to it once, you need to use FLAC/ALAC/WAV, and let A2DP do it's compression on that.
This is a more proffessional tack fro Prasad, and, with almost 98% of this article having no apple bias ,whatsomever, It is a first step to building my appreciation of him as a credible source.
For me, I have an edge+ in my Samsung armoury that I some times use, with an Samsung HS3000 bluetooth headset, ( Both have apt-X) and the sound is incredible.Wheigh that up against , battery recharging, the absolute freedom to loose, forget, break, or swap for different common 3.5mm sets instantly, at will, for different album styles, coupled with possibly, the most important factor of all, and that is, being a Gpig generation, we don't yet know the acrueing damage, many of us, who listen to music prolonged for extended , re occuring periods will sustain. Bluetooth + 3.5mm has it all covered, for me. Regards
On the go I use Bluetooth earbuds (Sony SBH-20) and if I want to listen with full headphones, I connect a USB DAC. I have broken a few 3.5mm jacks and probably won't use them any more on my smartphone.
AnonD-4254, 27 Jun 2016Dear Editor, I, a 30y old male, loved your article. I seriously think you guys should talk (... moreu have a really good point there, it MUST be our choice to use either headset we feel like using the most, problem is trending, if mayority of ppl dislikes the jack (for example) companies would lose money by making a phone with the jack, so everybody goes with it and it's soon gone, glady... companies are smart enough to make variant of phones with different specs for ppl to choose, i agree the jack should stay for the ppl that uses it, but i wouldnt mind a jack-less phone since i use BT headset (u get my point) :P
thank you for this article. there were some things i really didn't think about. i was interested in the upcoming Moto Z line and while the lack of the 3.5mm jack bothered me, i thought, well, if they're giving me an adapter with the phone then it's fine. but i managed to completely disregard that this adapter would be in charge of the D/A conversion. and i guess there's little doubt that it would be a cheap DAC.
so, with digital output, i would have to buy a phone and also look for a good adapter, which probably costs a bunch of money because why not.
and bluetooth headphones, well... even if i didn't have a decent pair of wired ones (v-moda's M-100), i just don't like them. before i bought mine, i tried some bluetooth headphones in a local store. can't remember which manufacturer it was, but they were rather expensive, a little more than the M-100. they were alright... but not... good. i tried a few others as well, but it was never satisfying. the difference to wired headphones was just too noticable. and i can't pay $400 for a pair that just matches my $270 ones.
however, not having a cable does come with another positive side effect. if the plug moves during playback, even just rotates slightly, you can get noise. hell, the cable itself can cause unwanted sounds if it bumps against your clothes or something when you walk around. that's the nature of analog signals, i suppose.
but there's also another annoying drawback that you have to deal with when using wireless headphones. those things won't power themselves, after all. you need batteries. not only does that add a running cost, but also unnecessary waste. and it's just annoying, as already mentioned.
to me it's just not worth it. i'd much rather stay with my wired headphones and universal 3.5mm jack.
if these current trends and developments continue, which they probably will one way or another, i'll have to buy old phones in a few years... i don't want VR, i don't want dual cameras and i don't want audio over USB
I, a 30y old male, loved your article.
I seriously think you guys should talk (write) more, because you have a lot of knowledge and it shows while reviewing phones and all.
Reg. the topic, I previously believed that the USB audio was of better quality, because the 3.5mm jack has external interferences from radio signals, magnetic influence, etc. due to its slightly exposed antannae (for FM Radio and by design too).
I have no memory where this belief came from, but I now believe that 3.5mm jack shouldn't go anywhere.
One reason would be what the author said regarding convenience, quality and costs... Because, its better get a high quality audio in phone once and for all, like HTC 10, Galaxy 7, Redmi 2 Prime, etc, than to keep changing quality with changing headphones.
But secondly, also because, irrespective of who's right or wrong in the end, we all have a right to a "choice" of our own.
3.5mm or USB music, fine, our choice. We want both in one phone.
But for the sake of thinness and democracy, I'm ok with 4-6 phones without 3.5mm jack, if its necessary.
Only, it should not become an industry standard, like the removal of Infrared became, around 2006...
RishiGuru, 27 Jun 2016I had posted the same thoughts of the author of this article few months back. It was when LeEc... moreI got lucky to only find people that were wiling to know new stuff when I posted about the 32 bit 384 kHz sample rate on the LG V10 and the DAC/amp module for the G5. Usually regarding Audio you can simply prove stuff with math and logic, but that's a very passion filled topic so you may find people that will completely ignore it all and feel coat it with their "experience". You seem to have the bad luck to find the fanboys there. It's a really recurring problem on audio world, couple that with part the public here that considers something stone age when it's over 2 months and you get it. It's good that we do have people that think for themselves and do real research instead of falling for the marketing department talk.