Alien, 27 Jun 2016So form what I understand it means you cannot use the headphones while charging and vice versa... morejust keep in mind that from that list most can be either turned off or have nothing to do with battery (selfie camera for example) maybe u were thinking about ram and bloatware and not battery drain, anyways to the point, imagine u using headphones at night and becuz they're USB u cant charge ur phone while listening a movie (for example) it can be an inconvenient for some ppl (hopefully not for u) that's what the post is about, the pros and cons about headsets ^_^
RishiGuru, 27 Jun 2016I had posted the same thoughts of the author of this article few months back. It was when LeEc... morehey, what doesn´t kill u makes u stronger ^_^
just remember there can be good replies (even when they tell that u r wrong) and others are just nonsense, u must learn to differentiate them
saw ur post in the link and well... keep in mind that in a post of a review for a device not all ppl will know about audios, so maybe that's why u got trashed a bit XD
So form what I understand it means you cannot use the headphones while charging and vice versa having USB-C.
Where's the innovation in that? I'm not an audiophile, actually my phone is always on vibrate. But I use one headphone almost all the time, specially at night, so that I don't bug my family or neighbors.
P.S nobody wants to listen to you playing your music or games or whatever you're doing, so have the common sense and use the headphones. Specially if you really are an audiophile.
I know technology has to improve each year, but some features really are useless bs that do nothing but drain the battery and resources and phone manufacturers should give us the ability to choose what we want or not.
I for one NEVER use:
- Fingerprint scanner
- Online payments
- Wireless hotspot
- Miracast and everything related
- Light sensor
- Stupid selfie camera
- Heartrate monitor
I would love to be able to order custom made phone..
Maybe in the future there will be a smart company that will give us the freedom of choice when it comes to 3D printed phones with customized hardware.
Our phone is getting more and more ridiculously thinner each year. Why want to make it thinner? Remove the earjack? Crazy idea ever. Well, oppo did that first of course with the Oppo R5 with 4.9mm thickness. No one buys that. Even Vivo can make thinner phone with theirs 4.75mm thick Vivo X5 Max and still have headphone jack. If Apple make anything thicker than 4.75mm and can't put a headphone jack people will bashed them good.
Anonymous, 27 Jun 2016Stopped using the 3.5 jack long ago after i got plenty of earphones that would be damaged afte... moreDo you listen music with your earphone or go to fight with it.
My previous Samsung earphone survive 3+ years and the second Samsung one survived 2+ year. I have another Samsung earphone that is 1+ year old and still running perfectly.
Not only do you have yo charge your wireless headsets, they also draw more power from your device compared to using the 3.5mm plug.
Not all bluetooth headsets are wireless. They don't use wires to connect to your device, but some of them use wires to connect the ear pieces. Others are simply bluetooth receivers with sthort cable analog headphones connected.
Bluetooth headphones that dont use cables at all, are pretty big and much less pratical to take with you than cabled headphones that can still be good even if they are in-ear or light foldable models like the classic porta pro.
Besides the battery weights a lot more and uses way more space than a cable, meaning that wireless headphones are always bigger and heavier than their cabled counterpart.
And no there is no real lossless bluetooth protocol and APTx support isnt widely used, anyway.
And often BT headsets are much noisier than the 3.5mm output of your devices, and the frequency resonse is worse as well.
And the mic position on stereo Bluetooth headphones, is usually not in a good place, and pick up a lot of wind noise. At least with mic on a cable you can palm it and hold it in front of your mouth, to block out wind noise, and thus still be able to use the headphones as headsets on a windy day.
And there are phones with IP rating and 3.5mm jacks.
Your headphones will likely not have a IP rating. But there are even fewer BT headsets with any IP rating. And they are even much more sensitive for moist or rain. And a BT headphones is always more expensive than a 3.5mm cabled headphone with the same quality. Meaning that replacing your water damaged headphones will be much more expensive if you choose BT version.
One can wonder if the author actually lijkes to listen to music on his/her mobile, if he/she still hasn't seen any of all the dissadvantages of using BT over 3.5mm.
Or does he/she have his/her hopes set on gettting a free set of bluetooth headsets from any of the brands mentioned in the article?
Eske Rahn, 27 Jun 2016To a large extent you are right, but there are a few basic flaws in the article.
Let me sta... moresome interesting and valid points shown here, maybe I could respond with some of my own considerations about each, let's go in order:
1) AGREED. I own one BT Headset that just sounds king. 2nd only to my monitors here, and it was hard to find these headphones, but now that they are pretty old (Nokia BH-504, notorious as problematic beast sounding devices) I've even replaced the battery cell on it, but still seems like the board is going kaput. With a normal headset I would just swap the cable like I've always been doing. The added electronics and battery are a real annoyance, and yes I've had them die on me when I most needed them (1h bus trip), and agreed it's a joy killer.
2) Considering having a better sounding headphone than with the phone's own DAC, well that can still be possible with an external USB DAC/amp, without removing the jack (like it has been for now). Also you can have the separate box, or headphones with it. Standard wise, USB Audio has been the same standard for like 10 years at least so that's OK.
3) Indeed, my Nokia 5610d says hi here. They tried 1st this, and then went straight to the 3.5mm one, even tho the 2.5mm is a standard not proprietary port. Still no adapter age again, that was once good only because the others were even worse (straight out proprietary adapters).
4) well that TRRS with 1 mic is just for calls, but most of the Noise Cancelling headphones have their own circuit. While it's a fact that you'll need a battery for it separately, you'll get a headset compatible with anything older. Agreed that the USB Noise Cancelling headphones would be more practical in that sense, but also more expensive and harder (if possible at all) to fix a classical broken cable.
I think the biggest point of the article is mostly to debunk the marketing that removing the 3.5mm jack is good and "Look how USB Audio makes your old headphones look trash!", pointing that every single audio thing said about it is highly volatile info that will be headphone dependent now, + bringing back the conveniently forgotten info about the single port use.
... thanks for this enlightening and insightful article. its one of the best that i've read in years as an earphone /headphone 🎧 addict...
I had posted the same thoughts of the author of this article few months back. It was when LeEco released their new trio of phones with bullshit CDLA digital lossless audio tech claiming they were better than 3.5mm audio jacks.
I received a lot of "hate words" for spilling the truth and many whos-who of smartphone world told I know nothing about smartphones. Hope they are reading this article now and knowing the actual truth about how audio works.
first of all, great post i learned a lot from it ^_^
second, i use a BT headset and it's true what it says... once u try it, u never go back to cables, i find it annoying when i tried cables again, never been a fan of USB headsets and to me BT is the only option for headphones, i was pretty impressed to the information on the post (got a lot of insight) and even when (as someone else mentioned) is annoying to be charging the BT headphones, we have to charge a lot of things nowadays (laptop, powerbanks, smartwatches, etc.) so one more thing is not a problem for me ^_^
As an audio and technology enthusiast you should have researched that the Pop-Port, FastPort and 30pin apple connector all had analog audio output, not digital. Then for wireless there's the issue of "have I charged my other battery" and interference from other devices. For minimising things and getting more realestate inside a portable device, there was (long forgotten now) a 2.5mm trrs jack (since stereo is TRRS, not TRS) on nokia's of old, but nobody liked that either. Then again, I completely agree that replacing the jack with digital lightning or usb-c or micro-usb will segment the market, since it replaces a standard with 3 (or more) other (more or less) standard.
Dh33r4j, 27 Jun 2016It is due to the space a 3.5mm jack takes up. When phones try to save every tiny millimetre th... moreYeah. Really good old days of adapters. Cause the connector is huge right? Oh wait that's the 6.3mm one... Frankly I agree that if it's to use an adapter I prefer this one over the USB ones but please no dark ages of adapters again.
Heck they make phones every time bigger and bigger, next we're holding sharp edged 56" screens on hand, and they'll require some angstrom SIM cause "we need more space".
Just make it less unnecessarily thin and you got the space, a lot of it.
I do remember the good old Sony Ericsson phones having their special audio connector and then the Motorola L7. It was always a pain. If you wanted to have good headphones, you needed to either buy the special, expensive ones from Sony or mess around with adaptors. Of course quality varied, and you'd end up killing your phone rather early because the phone side connector died. Back then it seemed more serving the phone manufacturer than me to listen to music.
That's Prasad, I like how you cut the BS out of this USB audio manure. Heck it's been since... the 90s and it didn't catch on PCs that actually had terrible soundcards, why would it on phones out of just "Hey guys, it's new, buy it!" I do hope it WON'T EVER catch. To top this I would again touch on the added battery drain from powering an external amp on headphones and the unnecessary protocol and power conversions happening on both devices.
Having used Bluetooth as a primary headphone when outside, I can say for sure that yes, the audio is incomparably better than it was on starting days. Even tho it's the same headphones. Back in ~2009 or before, the phone itself would send pretty terrible bitrate audio, leading to easily audible noise. That's really gone for good now. You can actually distinguish MP3 320 from FLAC, even on SBC mode headphones, and these are mathematically lossy, although by experience I would say it's only a loss of dynamic range. I would nitpick a bit to say that AptX is actually "near lossless" audio, so it's most of the time lossless, but on high demand it will fall into a lossy (albeit low loss) state. Also both Sony Ericsson Fastport and Nokia's Pop ports where actually analog! Just annoying format requiring adapters, but they did send analog audio, even back in the day the headphones were all just passive.
One thing about BT audio tho is that yea... battery... yet another dammed battery to charge, albeit they do last long on one charge (until they age...).
Frankly tho I hope all this trend of ultra thin phones and the useless ideas that come with it fade away, it's not beneficial at all, next what, will the phones cut our hands from their format? They still got the (every time bigger) camera hump anyway, just keep the jack and give us option. I'm one that uses a big wired studio monitor at home and wireless outside.