NeQ-oe, 30 Jul 2016agreed...this was deliberately done to kick symbian OS(EU) off its thrown an have someone els... moreActually nokia shiuld have stuck to their gut feelings and use the powerhouse OS mego.... had so much potential but thwy threw it onto the back burner.
Oncom, 30 Jul 2016Why should we funded MS by buying experimental WP..? MS should create a better OS, that can co... moreThe OS has been acceptable and even really good (at differing stages)..
It has just been business decisions based on Microsoft owning the market or making moves to own the market that held them back..
If they had played nice they wouldn't now be using other platforms for their lead development.
Makes me laugh if what commenters here say is true, that 'messenger on windows phone' is missing stuff that Messenger elsewhere has (and that is just one example).
They must hate the market turnaround forcing them to write their best software for competitors platforms...
They went all or nothing, and got what they asked for ;-)
If it had gone the other way, shareholders would be rejoicing.
Tech can be hard to understand, and business people are hired based on sucess in other industries.
Apparently legends like Douglas Adams, on top of being a brilliant sci fi author, gave advice and support to his mates (eg Stephen Fry)... understanding trends and predicting markets requires understanding the products intimately.
The people who can do so are few and far between.
To be fair to microsoft, a recent CEO said it was important that they find those people. (Weirdly; these boards are littered with them)
sunnyrkts, 30 Jul 2016It was mostly because of Stephen Elop. He was the trojan in flesh sent by Microsoft. Symbian ... moreYes a consortium of internet technologies that were inefficient that made Symbian have a hard time to keep up with.
It is probably the best mobile OS we have yet had.
Polen, 30 Jul 2016True, what people do mot underdtand is that the successof Android is to a large extent pushed ... moreIf Sammy are developing Tizen, and your comments about Samsung driving Android is true (I disagree in part with that; Android drives android by being basically free and allowing cheap smartphones for everyone.., numbers drive app development, software makes platforms practical. . -my 2 cents),.. Sammy will have an incredible platform no doubt with Tizen and Exynos.
Multicore is tricky to utilise practically (keeping battery life down whilst making effective compute higher), so any OS designed with an end use in mind should prove highly optimised..
Tizen could prove something cool.
Hard to work against the nature of Android coming from a stable and secure base..
Unless the driving forces behind android have lost vision or gone astray, it might be VERY HARD to topple, but Sammy having solid market share/hardware customisation ability and possibly an OS to utilise it could be very cool.
This is where people dont understand Apples advantage; (putting aside fanboyism and cost of products for a second, and even any mental image derived from past experiences...) iOS is NeXT (?)/what Jobs brought to market... possibly the best consumer OS on the market.
Apple with OS 9 had run out of legroom. -kinda like what happened to Symbian,.. technology developments had gone past early operating systems future scope.
There is only so much you can add to an out of date OS before something revolutionary needs be done.
Jobs had that product to offer them..
They had a couple of prospectives but either they were not ready (requiring a lot of effort on Apples part to achieve their aim), or cost stupid money and didnt offer what NeXT could.
The platform that we now know as MacOS was architecture agnostic, they even had OS 10 on intel chips prior to launch (Apple was aligned with power PC tech at the time)..
MacOS can easily jump to Arm/apple A9 or A10 in an eye blink (something Microsoft Windows was having a hard time with this last decade, briefly having three platforms being winmobile, windows rt and desktop).
So what does this rant have to do with future iOS?
iOS was a very cut down version of the OS.
Gradually they have added to it (yes we got cut and paste years ago, and now they multitask and split screen like a champ)... all the while developing custom silicon to run the platform.
A more efficient homogeneity we cannot imagine.
If their plan is to continue to add features (nothing to suggest otherwise), with iOS10 finally dropping support for' legacy' hardware; we might be just around the corner from some truly spectacular software.
Watch that space.
iOS is so far ahead of the game that there is a reason people are so violently for and against Apple on this one...
Users know what they've got (fast efficient OS), and haters know that it is sufficiently different to what exists elsewhere; it could be a threat!
If it does indeed keep adding features whilst delivering better and more refined chipsets to run it on.... hmmmmm
A lot to learn from Apple; even if they don't float our own individual boat ;-)
When whole world is playing Pokemon Go, WP users are watching others enjoy XD
who are those stupid humans....? who buy these phones,,,, useless fellow
Anonymous, 30 Jul 2016that must be sarcasm right?
because if nokia actually did all that you say like constant in... moreIt was mostly because of Stephen Elop. He was the trojan in flesh sent by Microsoft. Symbian was evolving in good direction but Mr.Elop comes to stage and annouce it as a burning platform.
Just imagine if CEO of company declares that their top OS is dead, it will simply make poeple loose interest in the product.
He hated Symbian and was pro Microsoft always. That guy played a major role in doom of Nokia.
That time Symbian used to run 15 apps simultaneously with 256MB ram and 700Mhz processor with HD videos playback and recording.
It was so refined but people were new to smartphones and they preferred idiot proof ios.
I can go on and on about Symbian. i have been using smartphones since the time of N6600.
agreed...this was deliberately done to kick symbian OS(EU) off its thrown an have someone else take it (android oS) but android OS is what symbian suppose to look like
I used the famous legend Lumia 520 for 32 months (which was a pleasure to use only it began showing its age and the hardware was lacking from the start) before moving back to using Android. I was scouting for a Lumia but Microsoft disappointed me with nothing in the midrange section and only the Lumia 950 twins at the high end and Lumia 550 & 650 (which failed to gain my attention). I was excited for W10M even though the apps were still a struggle for Windows OS, but Microsoft's product development team needs a reality check. I don't want them to throw a million designs at the same time but they have to understand how the market functions and what specs work in what range. I'm afraid that if Microsoft doesn't up their game like Blackberry (owing up to Android), its mobile division is going to end up like their Takeover: Nokia. I know people in general & even developers think Windows OS is trash, but it wasn't that bad to use.
Windows 10 is an impressive OS really love it its solid and mature love to see it develop and add more diversity to the market; surface phone ! genuinely considering it as option hope Microsoft Delivers a jaw-dropping product
km nafis, 30 Jul 2016I love windows... Win 10 is best operating system for mobile i hv ever used.... Ha ha ha.... I... moreI love windows mobile, also.
But nomore lumia device, microsoft was lost their intelligent to downgrade the built quality of Lumia by Nokia.
Why should we funded MS by buying experimental WP..? MS should create a better OS, that can compete with iOS and Android, then at that point they have a chance to offer market with their product.
Nokian, 30 Jul 2016Nokia made a mistake by selling their Lumia platform to Microsoft. Not too late, they realized... morethat must be sarcasm right?
because if nokia actually did all that you say like constant innovation , when everyone else was dead in the water. they wouldnt have been in the forced sell they were in.
they got there , because they were on top. and died a horrible death through stagnation and not adapting. also doubt they would come back with symbian. one of their problems was how limiting it was to advancements, which is why before being sold out , they were working on a newer more advanced os. what happened was they were on top, and took it for granted. then when they started to die was the only time they cared to try and make a come back. too little too late.
whitedragon, 30 Jul 2016I had not been following... Did microsoft sell nokia on....? So far they have tried several ... moreTrue, what people do mot underdtand is that the successof Android is to a large extent pushed by Samsung. No wonder other brands are struggling evrn though thry use Android. Android id at its peak, and soon uders will go through "technology fatigue" and I believe thre nrct best platform to take over will be Windoes phone or Tizen
Alien , 30 Jul 2016Nokia will be back with Android on it :)
It's windows mobile you should say RIP to.I had not been following...
Did microsoft sell nokia on....?
So far they have tried several strategies such as building low end nokias with android, keeping windows on the premium phones (creating brand perception that winphone is a 'premium' os..)
So far their android implementations have been intentionally lackluster.
When I tell my friends I have ditched my Note 5 for the Lumia 640 XL they think I am bluffing. Windows 10 is so much improved. I am afraid Microsoft is quitting the smartphone race when the OS is getting at its best. With the ongoing incremental improvements on Windows 10 Mobile I am sure many peple will move to Winfows phone (if there were good Windows 10 hardware).
Microsoft made mistakes and are continuing to make mistakes; 1) They delayed repeatedly, missing promises the release of Windows 10 Mobile, and when they finally released it, it was full of bugs 2) Apart from the Lumia 650, they do not have a well speced and well priced smartphone for the masses 3) Now that they have a finished product of Windows 10 mobile, they do not have any new hardware to bundle it, or rather sell it with 4) Too much focus on enterprise customers and disregard to consumers is the biggest mistake of the century because the consumer you ignore could be the decision maker in an enterprise. At the very least, decision makers in enterprised are influenced by their wives, children, etc, who you call consumers
Everything was going right till Microsoft bought Nokia. Nokia 730, 830, 930 were the best iteration. Later everything gone wrong with the phone like 950, 540, 550, 650. Even the OS went in wrong track. Full of bugs. Lower Performance. Hardware selection was completely opposite to market trend. 950, 950xl released when market was started to moving towards next high end processor. In rest all phones they stayed with old generation processor, ram capacity, rom. People consider all the things. Not just price and display and OS.