Zenodroid, 10 Sep 2016do you ? ;) so, it still unknown until proven otherwise
Zenodroid, 10 Sep 2016dx12 on what phone ? windows 10 phone? (or what it should be).
He was talking about dekstop probably, because AMD don't have mobile SoC GPU (aside what AMD sold to Qualcomn) so any comparison in mobile soc segment is currently not possible.
Do mind, In Doom Vulkan, AMD GPU became MUCH MORE powerful (30%-50% perfomance gain) than OpenGL mode.
AnonD-442781, 10 Sep 2016AMD didn't make it. They acquired it and sold it.
Not sure about costs, but tegra chipsets... moreYour comments are mildly annoying because you spread some of the most misinformation in this thread.
ATI/AMD were releasing at the time the most successful mobile GPUs, Google the 2380 and the 2388, among others. Heck, they were designed by AMD, launched to the market by AMD and even manufactured at AMDs own fabs so they're as AMD as it gets. They were released for actual PHONES, supported OpenGL ES 1.2 and at that time were the fastest mobile GPUs by a long shot. In 2006 when they first launched they sold one hundred million of those chips alone. That was back in 2006, and they sold more in that year than Nvidia ever did, even with the wake of the insane smartphone market growth.
So after the sale Qualcomm RENAMED them to Adreno and until pretty much early 2010 they were just launching/using products from AMDs pipeline, they just changed the marketing name, the whole first get chips were as AMD designed them.
Heck, the newest Adreno GPUs? They're based on the same AMD designs, beefed up, modernized and tweaked. Go check SemiAccurate. Nobody did as much for mobile GPU as ATI/AMD and comparing those achievements to puny Nvidia tablet chipset sales is way uncool. Especially since...
Nvidia has nothing that could compete on a phone and it is far from it, they'd need to put at least as much work into it as AMD. Check their latest products TDP - their chipsets have literally the same TDP as a Skylake i5 U, and the smallest device that can dissipate that is currently the Surface Pro 4. I think it conveys how insane is that, because Samsung could either put Nvidias chip with a fairly weak CPU and a competitive mobile GPU or a freaking Skylake i5 with Intel 520. That's how ridiculous the Nvidia chips thermals and power optimization are. Nvidia WOULD need a brand new architecture for mobile, and their previous attempts with Tegra 3 had higher TDP than an Exynos and weaker GPU performance than not only Adreno, but also corresponding Mali of that time (HTC One X vs Samsung Galaxy S3). In short, Nvidia never had a worthy mobile chip. That is all.
Anonymous, 10 Sep 2016Do you have proof of Nvidia using less pwer and producing less heat in mobile? NO.do you ? ;)
AnonD-442781, 10 Sep 2016Nvidia have produced results in the mobile sphere, they even have exclusive games which may al... moreWhat results? I have yet to see a phone since HTC use tegra and that was the only time Nvidia was in mobile. LOL
Anonymous, 10 Sep 2016I think you need to get the facts straight, nvidea support Asynchronous Compute just not to th... moreNvidia does not support async. Async means doing everything at once. None of Nvidia gpus can do that. Only AMD. Dont be fooled by marketing. Nvidia is trying to fix via software. Not the same as async shaders/compute
Zenodroid, 10 Sep 2016less power, less heat. simple as that. amd might be cheaper, but you also get what you pay for. Do you have proof of Nvidia using less pwer and producing less heat in mobile? NO.
Zenodroid, 10 Sep 2016less power, less heat. simple as that. amd might be cheaper, but you also get what you pay for. also, less performance gain in DX12 and Vulkan, Less AsynC Support.
Seriously, AMD Hardware is better than NVidia, but their driver is a TRASH UNOPTIMIZED PIECE OF SHIT. Nvidia give "Just enough" Hardware but with fully optimized driver
Anonymous, 10 Sep 2016Ahh AMD/ATI is where Qualcomm got their Adreno graphics tech from. Not to mention Nvidia's te... moreAMD didn't make it. They acquired it and sold it.
Not sure about costs, but tegra chipsets have awesome gpus. Where did you get your information on costs?
Alien , 10 Sep 2016I don't really care what they will use as I'm not really planning to buy a Sammy phone. But I ... more"Though I don't see AMD beating SnapDragon." -- Yeah, it's not like AMD ever done anything worthwhile in the handheld market and then sold it to Qualcomm. Oh wait...
AnonD-442781, 10 Sep 2016They made the tegra k1 and tegra x1. Amd hasn't made anything. Neither has made anything fo... moreAhh AMD/ATI is where Qualcomm got their Adreno graphics tech from. Not to mention Nvidia's tegra chipsets are laughable. Do you see those in cell phones anymore? Nope Overcomplicated design and too expensive because of it. The only reason they even exist is because the Google Nexus used it in one itteration.
I don't really care what they will use as I'm not really planning to buy a Sammy phone. But I am always for having as many options as possible. Though I don't see AMD beating SnapDragon. Maybe NVidia has a chance. I'm not an expert in this, but on PCs I know that Intel beats AMD, also Nvidia graphics cards are some of the best.
AnonD-410174, 10 Sep 2016Actually it doesn't. Its mostly software side. until nvidia volta. there is no complete vulkan... moreyet the nvidea cards still beat them in performance even with there gains, they could gain 50% and still be slower
Simon, 10 Sep 2016Nvidia did not produce results in the mobile sphere, they have essentially no design wins, whi... moreThey made the tegra k1 and tegra x1. Amd hasn't made anything.
Neither has made anything for smartphones, but nvidia is better because they've at least made a successful high end tablet, and they have exclusive games to make use of it.