djscope, 20 Nov 2010i dunno how u can say that nokia cant compete when infact they hold 60% of the mobile market..... moreAlso here's another hypocrisy of yours I would like to point out. You talk about a car with latest gadgets and fancy features built in but with a broken engine making the car useless. Would that analogy be a reference to the N8? Seeing as how the N8 has the largest camera sensor(something you refer to as useless gimmick), Gorilla glass screen with nHD(this would be another useless gimmick right? Since you say resolution doesn't really matter?), and a cpu clocked at 680MHz? However it has a broken engine(the phone won't even turn on). So do you still consider the N8 "de best" phone? Also you misread my comment, I didn't say Nokia couldn't compete, I said they couldn't compete in the high end flag ship tier. Which is true considering they're losing market share every quarter to android.
djscope, 20 Nov 2010i dunno how u can say that nokia cant compete when infact they hold 60% of the mobile market..... moreand there is the fallacy of brand loyalty. Nokia has a large portion of the mobile market share however most of it is from low end mobile phones and in countries where many of the top mobile phone contenders do not compete such as India. If you've looked at the reason report Nokia has lost a huge portion of smart phone market share and is only at 36% for 2010 with android base OS steadily closing in and projected to take over for 2011. Nokia's IDR has dropped from the AAA- to BBB+ which means lenders will not be favorable to them at all. While their new ARM 11 can be clocked higher doesn't mean its a new architecture based cpu running new instructions. It is merely a new fabrication possibly from 60nm to whatever their new iterations are. Once again proving my claim that this isn't a drastic hardware change and is no excuse for their rampant hardware failure. You don't see HTC or Samsung with high end mobile phones dying within 2 weeks of usage do you? The problem is big enough for Nokia to publicly admit that there is indeed a problem and are rectifying it. I give them props on this part because they are not denying or trying to hide it. Iphone 4 may have an antenna problem but the iphone 4 don't mysteriously die out do they? Don't forget that the E71 also had reception issues due to the placement of the antenna as well.
Anonymous, 20 Nov 2010That's not quite the same analogy here. Cars usually have problems when they undergo revisions... morei dunno how u can say that nokia cant compete when infact they hold 60% of the mobile market... they have a customer base on all levels.. android and ios are new to the market so they will slowly rise in market share as expected in most situations, but nokia will still lead in the mobile market in the future not to mention that any company using cdma and gsm tech is using nokia's patents... and btw nokia has the new model of the arm11 its not the same "rapido" build which was caped to ~600mhz, the new arm11 can cap up to ~800mhz
djscope, 20 Nov 2010all manufacturers have come across with hardware failure issue, with most of the electronic de... moreThat's not quite the same analogy here. Cars usually have problems when they undergo revisions or new generation. However the N8 is pretty much the same phone nokia has been using. They have not used any new hardware besides the larger censor for the camera. It's pretty much still the same cpu, same pcb as with the N97. Also with cars there are a lot more moving mechanical parts which increases wear and tear and has a higher failure rate. Where as a mobile phone has no moving parts. Your comparison to cars is wrong idea. Nokia should take note from AMD and drop from the high end market and focus on the lower end phone divisions. They clearly are not able to compete, since they refuse to use innovations and just rehash their products again and again.
We will have the iphone5 anyway
-Posted from my iphone4 held correctly to prove any signal talk is lies
when held properly without the thank you loyalty bummer case gift
Anonymous, 19 Nov 2010yeah okay my fault for jumping to conclusion on the camera part. Still you say a mobile phone ... moreall manufacturers have come across with hardware failure issue, with most of the electronic devices ever released.. that the problem when ur designs arent made by hand.. that also the problem with cars today
iPhone4ed, 19 Nov 2010The iphone4 has the best GPU.Cored with the A4 Supership
Check out MacRumours
-Posted from... morego check MacRumours......XD that site is like asking steve jobs if
the iphone antennage even happened and him replying now
why would something like on a fanbased driven site
i'll go to a site like GSMarena or site where they actually know WTF they are talking about
djscope, 19 Nov 2010ROLF now u r the kind of ppl im talking about.. If u read my post again, ull notice that... moreyeah okay my fault for jumping to conclusion on the camera part. Still you say a mobile phone should be built based on mobile phone aspect, the N8 was not built based on mobile aspect at all. It only has "average" call quality in most test. These things are called "smart phones" for a reason. Also for your "dats best" phone it sure came with a lot of problems such as the phone dying and not being able to turn on anymore huh? For something that you claim should be used as a primary way for you to connect it fails big time because you can't stay in contact if the phone dies of hardware failure.
N8 uses the Broadcom 2727 GPU and if u dont believe me check out in google....
Nokia N8 GPU: Broadcom 2727 = 32 Mio. Triangles/s
Iphone 4 : SGX 535 GPU( Soc) =28 Mio. Triangles /s
Galaxy S : SGX 540 GPU = 39 Mio. Triangles / s
( 90 mio Tri/s combined with CPU performance A8 )
@Alui: Please post something when u are really sure...
Looking at the pictures, the PS2 is more powerful than the PSP? lol I doubt that, PSP has a higher CPU and GPU clock speed than the PS2 has and can also output PS2 quality graphics, I'd say both the PS2 and PSP are at around the same performance levels. But they compared ADRENO 2xx to PS2, wii, and iphone while they compared ADRENO 130 to PSP DS and N-gage, looks like a fail comparison to me. The PSP should be compared to the ADRENO 2xx instead.
Buzzing_Bird, 19 Nov 2010Yeah.. That is do-able, but at a quarter of power consumption? Sounds f'ing unbelievable. A... moreWell they still have room until 16nm. After that, who knows. Also the can play with the CPU-GPU architecture.
Alui, 19 Nov 2010Well, they increased speed with 20% and doubled the cores. For sure they can double the perfor... moreYeah.. That is do-able, but at a quarter of power consumption? Sounds f'ing unbelievable.
And, has any foundry transitioned to 28nm process as yet? Has this process size stabilized? I still remember Intel's travails with each process upgrade. It takes at least six months(for Intel) just to get reasonable yeilds. If qualcomm (who only recently graduated from 65nm to 45nm process) manages to stamp out 28nm processors with these features, it would quite simply ASTOUNDING ! ! !
Alui, 19 Nov 2010Who cares? It's still at 600MHZ and low resolution. BTW I do not see anyone complaining about ... moreits actually 680mhz and they kept the resolution as nHD for a reason, one would be coz the human eye cant really make out the difference of the higher dpi of the iphone 4.. yeah it looks sharper but at the cost of using about 2x the battery to run and sharpness is the only difference.. and the benchmarks between the iphone4 and n8 arent much apart
Bold To say that it is as powerful as playstation 3? Hell yeah Playstation 3 has much over 3 GHRZ.
Buzzing_Bird, 19 Nov 2010Looks like these Qualcomm guys' drinks are spiked... far too bold claims, than physically poss... moreWell, they increased speed with 20% and doubled the cores. For sure they can double the performance of their current single 1GHz chip.
deep space bar, 19 Nov 2010the GPU in the N8 is actually a new model then the iphone 4 XDWho cares? It's still at 600MHZ and low resolution. BTW I do not see anyone complaining about how games run on iPhone 4 and SGS. Au contraire:)! And BTW not only the screen resolution is important, where anyway N8 is behind, but also the touch screen sensitivity and precision. I notices the touch screen of the N8 is a bit imprecise. No such problem with iPhone 4 and SGS.
Looks like these Qualcomm guys' drinks are spiked... far too bold claims, than physically possible... 5X processing Power at 1/4 th consumption, on a dual core... does not add up nicely.
We will believe when we see it.
Alui, 19 Nov 2010I'm not sure N8 has that GPU. And BTW the GPU supports 720p at 30 fps as well as OpenGL 2.0. T... morethe n8 does have a gpu.. If it didnt how would it run 3d games faster than most android devices with such a low clock speed? Anyway please dont compare this dual core chip to an n8, thats just stupid
so...who is the best ? n s i ???