Prevayl, 08 Dec 2010Sorry Im an IT and my cousin is an IT, he has a iphone 4g and it does drop if held the wrong w... moreSo I guess HTC was wasting their time then, responding to nobody because everything is perfect.
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2010I don't use a case with my iPhone 4 and it works fine, I have tested holding a lot of iPhone 4... moreSorry Im an IT and my cousin is an IT, he has a iphone 4g and it does drop if held the wrong way, we tested it many ways and the results were consistent. I havent noticed any problems with my HD7 except that the physical button s on the phone suck you they dont stick out enough for you to be able to press it with out braking a sweat. I have to push way harder then normal to get a response from the physical buttons on the phone.
tkolev, 07 Dec 2010Yes - they both drop bars when held (as would pretty much any phone), but the causes for this ... moreNo they don't, unless you are fat and sweaty with sticky dirty greasy fingers from eating donuts.
The iPhone 4 has excellent reception Anandtech confirmed this by showing that the iPhone 4 maintains a signal when other phones drop out.
Apple admitted to nothing, they responded to a rabid fanboi free for all.
Show one link, to one qualified RF expert who can verify your claim.
Problem is you can't because there is no such thing, you are in a fantasy world.
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2010I don't use a case with my iPhone 4 and it works fine, I have tested holding a lot of iPhone 4... moreYes - they both drop bars when held (as would pretty much any phone), but the causes for this are completely different. No other phone needed a case to work properly (as admitted by Apple) and no other phone drops bars that severe when touched with just one finger. You might have IQ of 50 suffering from a mental illness or from being just plain stupid (I'm not implying they you do, just an example here) - same issue, different reasons.
About links to textbooks. I told you already - the place you need to go to learn those things is an university. Not internet reading random 'links'. Go there, they will tech you, you'll do experiments to confirm the theory and eventually you'll see that asking for "hard numbers" when working in the reactive field of an antenna is ... silly to say the least.
tkolev, 07 Dec 2010So if being close to the antenna is the same as touching it, why the ugly cases help? You are ... moreI don't use a case with my iPhone 4 and it works fine, I have tested holding a lot of iPhone 4's and have never been able to reproduce the rubbish that you claim.
So where are the textbooks from these professors explaining this?
(I know you won't because there are none, you're just parroting a fanboi fantasy.)
How does it explain other phones eg the HTC HD7 experiencing EXACTLY THE SAME ISSUES?
about picturing of i4 users holding it upside down and WDF!
HD engr, 06 Dec 2010After reading thru a few posts, I had to agree mostly with you as I have the same RF and syste... moreIt will be much easier to tell you about SW guys that actualy HAVE any idea of RF propagation ;) Obviously none of them works for Apple though (at least not in a position where he/she should be in a phone manufacturing company). It's easy to understand why that thing has happened with Apple and not Nokia, Aclatel, Motorola or HTC. It's a good thing that they don't manufacture base stations (yet), or I should really start looking for another profession ;)
Anonymous, 06 Dec 2010The iPhone4 antennagate issue is a thing of the past and an attempt by its competitors to crip... moreSo basicly you can learn to hold your phone in the righteous way. Got it! Well I guess iPhone did change everything (at least in the phone holding terms). Before that it was wrong to hold it with the mic at your ear and the speaker to your mouth, but now...
Anonymous, 06 Dec 2010Eating arsenic would be as stupid as trying to tell others that touching an aerial has any gre... moreSo if being close to the antenna is the same as touching it, why the ugly cases help? You are still in the near-field zone of the antenna, so you are still affecting it's performance. Please get a proper education after (and if) you finish high school and then come back to say what you have learned there. Also notice if any of your professors that teach you RF fundamentals have iPhones. If they do, then maybe the community college wasn't worth it after all...
tkolev, 06 Dec 2010The engineer's name is Ruben Caballero, and he works for... Apple. Reportedly, he told them th... moreThe iPhone4 antennagate issue is a thing of the past and an attempt by its competitors to cripple iphone4 sales, which they failed, for the iphone4 still sold like hotcakes. Iphone4 users obviously were able to deal with the issue easily by either getting a case, install invisible shield, or simply avoid that very small area. The iphone4's antenna is external, and by shorting it, it causes the signal to drop. While on this HTC phone, the antenna is internal. Meaning, the user is not even physically touching the antenna. So a case will not even remedy the issue. The only remedy is to avoid gripping that area. Good thing about the iphone4 is, you know exactly which particular area to avoid from touching or gripping (that tiny black strip). You can't with this HTC phone.
[deleted post]Eating arsenic would be as stupid as trying to tell others that touching an aerial has any greater or lesser effect than merely being in close proximity to an aerial especially when you have ZERO hard data to back your claims up and grasp at important sounding straws.
tkolev, 04 Dec 2010The bumper case does not solve "signal" issues, but "stupid design" issues... moreAfter reading thru a few posts, I had to agree mostly with you as I have the same RF and system engineering background. Steve was and always remains a sw guy (tell me about lots of sw guys who are just clueless about RF lol).
tkolev, 05 Dec 2010WP7 is targeted at people who want eye-candy, fluid animations with no concern about the fact ... moreDo you know m$ success? Bill Gate copy the features of other competitor and advertise their product ALOT, by giving their customer a false sense of achievement for purchasing their product. In this case, M$ is clearly mimicking iPhone limitation.
tkolev, 06 Dec 2010The engineer's name is Ruben Caballero, and he works for... Apple. Reportedly, he told them th... moreWhere is a link to a report which backs your nonsensical claim up?
"Interferes with the impedance"???
By how much?
Please supply some hard numbers, quit with your wishy-washy mumbo jumbo.
Hard facts, a scientific report to verify your quasi-scientific gibberish picked up from dubious fanboi sites on the Internet.
Anonymous, 05 Dec 2010I tried your experiment and guess what happens...
You are full of sh*t and h... moreThe engineer's name is Ruben Caballero, and he works for... Apple. Reportedly, he told them that the design is flawed, but they chose not to listen to him, because the girls would like the shiny look of glass and metal. I'm going to say this one last time: touching the antenna messes with it's impedance tuning to the transceiver inside the phone and the impedance of the air. Whether you choose to believe me or live in the blessed Apple fangirl ignorance is up to you.
And the fact that you say "nothing" happened with your FM receiver by holding the exposed antenna tells me one thing only - it's you that's full of... Apple.
Anonymous, 05 Dec 2010Well as the article is about HTC responding to an antenna issue, what headline would you suggest?"Correct holding skillz for HTC users need"
We can hold it how we would like now
*posted from my iphone held anyway i want in a bumper case only to stop scratches to prove signal loss talk is lies
tictactaylor, 05 Dec 2010Nice headline, the Sun newspaper could not do better, it does seem that gsm arena like to expe... moreWell as the article is about HTC responding to an antenna issue, what headline would you suggest?
Nice headline, the Sun newspaper could not do better, it does seem that gsm arena like to experiment with being journalists, but facts on this not sure. Every RF device is going to have issues if you stick your hand on antenna. Why not go back to phones with external antenna, and produce one that gives ultimate signal for those who need it? Even just make one handset that you know is top notch for those in a bad reception area, like me in a London area that cannot get anything on 900 Mhz (o2/Voda) at home (true London and cannot get Voda the carrier with the 'best' coverage Three works though!).
tkolev, 05 Dec 2010OK - do this:
1. Get a FM receiver with an exposed (not insulated) antenna
2. While indoor... moreI tried your experiment and guess what happens...
You are full of sh*t and have no idea of what you are talking about.
Now where's this statement from a qualified RF engineer describing what happens with an iPhone 4 antenna "detuning".
I'm sick of your old wive's tales time to back things up with some hard science.