a dual hot-swap battery will be better.
people wont have the need to charge their batteries in a rush.
leisurely they can plug-out the secondary battery and charge it whenever they want.
safety is important than features...
It should be mentioned that Google does not want to support Qualcomm specific extensions to fast charging. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/11/google-threatens-qualcomm-quick-charge-with-android-incompatibility/
All hail the standards process.
On the positive side, it should reduce licensing costs for manufacturers.
Anonymous, 10 Nov 2016Working is different than working well. After 3-4 years of medium use batteries lose anywhere ... morewell i get a complete day with the n8..i tried removing its sim(improves battery life by bound..though renders the phone useless for..well..phone calls) and used it as a handy ebook reader for sometime...it had a whopping 7day battery life..with atleast 5hrs perday screen ontime in a single charge...yes i know that an average battery runs through about 600 cycles before it loses its punch...but batteries are getting better....the solution to battery life is not removalbe batteries..yes removable ones won;t hurt..but only about 10percent of people ever bother with spare batteries. and people change phones every 2 years anyways...the technology and power needed for apps is overwhelming and you can't simply rely on a swappable battery to cope up with that...its like an assembled pc..most ppl say an assembled pc gives the choice for upgrades..but consider the scenario..you have a near top tier i7 current gen processor on a mobo and ram..the next processor can't just be put on the same mobo..you need a new one, new ram..etc..i know its off topic..but you have to see that batteries are the least of our problems..we have more costlier things to worry about
Anonymous, 10 Nov 2016A battery pack needs to be charged as well.
My solution meant no charging (only swapping ev... morewell..i'm speaking from experience...my brother has a lg g4..and he got a spare battery and a cradle with that and the store gave him an extra battery pack..guess which one he is using?? yup the battery pack....
and secondly..though it doesnt always apply to a lot of people..a battery pack will work nicely if you have more than one device too
FL ox, 10 Nov 2016Note 8 + quick charge 4.0 = C4 boomphoneYeah, only took qc 2.0 to blow note 7. Btw this year moto z force already has 30W
My Xperia M2 battery still performs well despite being over 2 years of usage... I only lost nearly 2 hours of standby time... Charged daily and occasionally twice as I use my phone a lot...
Maybe there's a need to move back to Li-Poly batteries instead of the popular modern Li-Ion type...
Anonymous, 10 Nov 2016How many people keep their smart phones for more than 4 years?
Sealed batteries are here to... moreThat was not my argument. My argument was/is that people don't care about big battery life (to the one arguing that a better battery is needed). You make my point exactly, people like to seal consumables. I imagine you would be first in line for printers with sealed catridges, they would throw some BS reason that it makes is 2% smaller and go on with it.
It's not just you, most people are like that. Companies try things and as long as they can get away with a bad practice they go on with it.
Most people I know keep their phones for more than 2 years. 2 years of medium to heavy use creates the same tear on the battery as 4 years of medium to low use. So yeah, people grow happy to charge their phones all the time. Remember having a phone 2% thinner is worth it!
Also love charging too, swapping takes 1 minute, that is too little. Better keep the phone on the charger for 1 hour plus, because that is the best way to roll.
I recommend even smaller batteries that charge even slower. People would still buy those, because they don't *care*. IPhone 7 has by far the smallest battery of 2016's flagship yet it's first in sales. Battery life is an afterthought and people should get over it ad you wisely put it.
Anonymous, 10 Nov 2016Working is different than working well. After 3-4 years of medium use batteries lose anywhere ... moreHow many people keep their smart phones for more than 4 years?
Sealed batteries are here to stay. Most of us like them just fine. Move on....
viveksubhash, 10 Nov 2016ok so diff POVs..understandable...but the auxillary battery is basically non removable right??... moreA battery pack needs to be charged as well.
My solution meant no charging (only swapping every now and then). Your solution implies that you now have to remember two devices. It's a lose lose.
With external battery you never forget to charge because when you make the swap you put the depleted battery to charging.
Gionee actually sold (for a time) a phone with two batteries. Yes auxiliary is embedded but so what. It is only used rarely (during swaps) so it does not experience many cycles, it can go for decades without losing much charge, and even if it does lose charge it doesn't matter as its function is merely to keep the lights on for 2-3 minutes max each day. Even an 100 mah battery could do that...
viveksubhash, 10 Nov 2016actually i'm a nokia fanboy...and my first sealed in battery was an n8...its still working, an... moreWorking is different than working well. After 3-4 years of medium use batteries lose anywhere from 30% to 60% of their initial charge. Ion cells have incredibly few cycles actually, if people knew they would never buy sealed phones.
AnonD-491313, 10 Nov 2016Nearly nowan (aside from you? and a handful of people) ever aquired an additional battery to t... moreIt is a solution. People don't care for it. Those are two different things.
Bas I call that was (all) what my post was about. It did not occur to most people that they could have almost infinite battery by using the replaceable function. People would still charge, people don't care or think about battery life much.
They do not even care that they have to charge for a long (by contrast swapping is one minute tops).
They don't care for usability (hence the popularity of phones with huge bezels and a tiny screen for their size, like iphones). They just don't care and companies makes full use of it, feeding them obsolete tech and bad ideas... Good for them I guess (for the companies I mean).
Considering how slowly battery tech evolves and how fast ion cells age, it's the *only* solution. A battery is a consumable. Imagine if your printer came with sealed carriages? Same situation. Cells die, people think their phone is getting old, buy a new phone, repeat; it's a vicious cycle.
Oppo & OnePlus (essentially the same tech) are still the best charging solutions on the market! With Huawei's Super charge being a close second. Quick Charge 3.0 isn't even close.. any phone that has that tech gets tremendously hot and seeing what happened to the Note 7 it gets you pretty nervous lol. When i charge my OnePlus 3 it stays cold as a Yeti.. it's pretty incredible.
My LG G5 never gets warm while charging.
& My father's HUAWEI P9+ is like COLD piece of gadget while charging.
mothers NOTE 5 gets heated like, about to get burst.
I think HUAWEI's implementation is much better than any company.
Anonymous, 10 Nov 2016Power banks and removable batteries are completely different things. Power banks mean you c... moreactually i'm a nokia fanboy...and my first sealed in battery was an n8...its still working, and i had preordered it..most of the batteries that you cllaim to have swollen up are chinese replacements that are possible with removable batteries..everyone is so worried about the wear and tear of batteries...yeah fine...what about the wear and tear of your phone?? its internals?? leave the charging port...no one batted an eye when they removed the convenient 2mm charging pin on old phones(nokia..yes still talking about them)..the back cover has small tacks that hold it in place..each time you change the battery its getting worn...and if you had never encountered a loose battery cover you have not changed it enough and probably didnt need the extra battery in the first place..
Anonymous, 10 Nov 2016No loose contact ever in any of my phones.
1 minute downtime. Even with fast charge you get m... moreok so diff POVs..understandable...but the auxillary battery is basically non removable right?? i havent checked it out...anyway it wont come to mainstream since project ara was binned..
good battery cradles are difficult to find..yeah amazon makes it easier but there are so many battery packs that come with 20000mah and so on charge..and you already have the phone's original charger to charge the battery pack..so its a win win..and talking about laptop batteries..possibly you havent seen the hp envy batteries..those were removable and huge...and yes chrging them was a mess but you have to take your back pack anyway so carrying an extra battery is easy