The only deal breaker in Samsung since galaxy s1 is its software=bloatware!
I will only buy it when they will stop pushing their stupid bloatware and start producing clean stock android phones, like Motorola did!
it would be great higher battery power and come with pen like Galaxy note style thanks..
Here's a different take: how about software? Namely all the bloatware, at times no new features just duplicate functionality, that can't even be removed (and sometimes not even disabled)? That's what Samsung should really quit and allow us to have a clean and customisable OS on their flagship models instead of forcing all the additional crap - I'm not even talking about TouchWiz itself, just the bundled stuff. All the hardware changes really don't bother me as much.
Aruba, 12 Dec 2016I would also add these two deal breakers:
- No IR Blaster
- No Removable Battery
This i... moreIR blaster is incredibly useful.
I also have a Note 3 and while I wouldn't call it my favorite phone because Lollipop makes it lag and just not a fan of its size, it is the only one that has an IR blaster among my collection. My TV is also a Samsung and sometimes the remote control can be out of place. Note 3 to the rescue to handle the volume with this app called Sure.
Any Samsung flagship before 2015 gets maligned because of design but don't realize how good we had it in 2010-2014. People kept complaining about design and build quality. Couldn't appreciate the last times Samsung was offering practical features like removable battery and IR blaster. Appreciate the Galaxy S from 1-5 and Note from 1-4 to realize how much better we had it during those days.
Aruba, 12 Dec 2016I would also add these two deal breakers: - No IR Blaster - No Removable Battery This i... moreThe LG V20 has both of those things, though you would lose your stylus, which is understandable as a deal breaker as well.
SJM32, 12 Dec 2016Only Apple know why they done it because it wasn't for the an extra speaker at the bottom, mak... moreI am still leaning towards money. However you are right, it could've been any of those things. However there are many better means to attain the same goals. The lightning connector is/was already a fantastic port, its fast, reversible, is very useful for data and charging...and already has thousands of peripherals that utilize its functions. (The Philips headset would still easily exist, if the 3.5mm jack was still there).
Moto's take in modularity, yes could make money however, it is a risk for innovation. LG tried it with the G5, and flopped quite hard, Moto, I think did it better, but still struggle...people aren't ready for it, yet it is innovation and something actually new being brought and tried. (now that google suspended project Ara).
That's how apple's take is different, they removed a feature to try and capitalize on their proprietary features that were already on the devices, thereby stripping more use of hardware that people already had, and then advertise to push hardware to consumers that Apple already made, little risk with their fanbase, but major reward. It isn't revolutionizing anything, it's just making you buy more proprietary stuff in the end...
I would also add these two deal breakers:
- No IR Blaster
- No Removable Battery
This is why I still haven't upgraded from my Note 3.
Anonymous, 12 Dec 2016In saying this you bring up a major point. Apple is a big company with a massive following. ... moreOnly Apple know why they done it because it wasn't for the an extra speaker at the bottom, make the phone thinner (thank god!) or battery bigger (could of made the battery bigger they did although there is no problems with the battery life on my 7+) which makes me think that they done it for either what you say, money reasons as they have introduced the W1 Bluetooth chip so they will push sales albeit, W1 is not compulsory they paid a hefty amount for Beats, need to get that money back somehow, or they have done it make better use of the Lightning port as I have some good things from the Philips Lightning port headphones & the software that comes from them.
Only Apple knows why.
SJM32, 12 Dec 2016The only reason that Apple was rumoured first is because they are a bigger company than Motoro... moreIn saying this you bring up a major point. Apple is a big company with a massive following. Motorola may have been first to the no 3.5mm jack party with the Moto Z, but Apple brought the press. Dwarfing Motorola's involvement (which they actually removed it for some innovation towards modularity, I can commend that.), where apple just did it for money, causing a larger uproar in the community.
Which again does bring my point back, removal of a feature with nothing innovative is not the future. Motorola did it somewhat right, apple didn't.
Where is an entry field for other items? I care about replaceable battery, IR blaster, microSD/UFS card slot a lot more than any of the other things posted on your short list.
After all of the above, I would probably go with home button, bezels and then 3.5 mm jack and maybe FM radio. Don't give a crap about double cameras... rather have a great single one.
Anonymous, 12 Dec 2016I was about to say...You tried to make a point, then redacted it? It is what happens when you work in a shop, a customer comes back in & you lose your train of thought! XD
Anonymous, 12 Dec 2016Not really, there were already rumours of Apple removing it (And we all know such negative rum... moreThe only reason that Apple was rumoured first is because they are a bigger company than Motorola so less people would of cared when it was announced.
There is no way, well, a very very very slim chance, that Motorola/Lenovo seen the Apple rumours & thought, we have to do this as well, & before Apple!! I am sure they would have had this planned months before release.
SJM32, 12 Dec 2016Are not the same, sure I put 'not' in my reply!!!I was about to say...You tried to make a point, then redacted it?
[deleted post]Not really, there were already rumours of Apple removing it (And we all know such negative rumous are always true. Plus, companies probably have inside info) when other started to do it. I don't think it would have happened if Apple didn't intent to do it.
Anonymous, 12 Dec 2016I know someone with a very keen ear too, that is myself. I have 3 sets of headphones 2 wired ... moreWell that is great but everyones ears are the same. I have said that I need to try them first to see what I think otherwise I will stay with my solution, which is wired headphones into a Sony Bluetooth adaptor.
Deal breaker for you, not a deal breaker for me. Our opinions, life goes on.
SJM32, 12 Dec 2016Bluetooth technology is improving every year. I know someone that has a very keen ear for musi... moreI know someone with a very keen ear too, that is myself. I have 3 sets of headphones 2 wired and 1 wireless, (V-Moda LP2s, Sennheiser HD 598s, and Bose QCs). without a 3.5mm jack the 2 notably better sounding ones are useless to the device (V-Modas for bass heavy fun music, and Sennheiser for more equivalent clarity.) The Bose headset does sound nice on BT, yes, however, they don't stand up to either wired set, especially with a good DAC behind them.
I have also had many occasions of interference, because someone nearby is also using BT, Microwaves, Wireless routers/Access points...all on 2.4Ghz band, music cuts out, gets distorted, etc. BT uses frequency hopping detection to try and avoid interference, but so do wireless routers/APs...they step on each other, and all it takes is that 1 second of garble, to ruin some songs and kill the listening experience for a bit.
LG has taken the right step, they have integrated DACs in the V series models. Actually marketing innovation in the 3.5mm jack instead of just removing it for a speaker (to which the speaker in their device holds up quite well with stereo competitors) or 30 mins of battery life.
Again, removal of a useful piece of hardware for nothing notable, is not the future, its a trend for money in proprietary sales. Apple did it to sell more headphones and adapters from companies owned by them (Beats anyone?). For others to follow suit, isn't following innovation, it's just following.
The dealbreakers of Samsung phones:
- non-removable battery;
- no FM Radio;
- AMOLED screen (in other words the burn-in screen);
- glass body;
- no IR blaster (infraport);
- no memory card slot (S6, Note 5 and maybe future Samsung phones);
- no 3.5mm jack (maybe future Samsung phones);
- curved screen, no bezels;
Even one of them is a deal breaker, so if a phone has only one deal breaker from the above list, it's still a deal breaker for that phone, it's an instant "no buy".