Anonymous, 14 Feb 2011Then how would you propose Nokia do things? Stick to their crappy S^3 which is a big failure? ... moreYou got it right. But I bet Nokia didn't know what Elop will gonna do with his position.
WP7 is a failure. End of story.
I wonder about Stephen Elop. After years of developing in Symbian, then Linux flavours (Meego, Maemo) he decides to position Windows 7 as Nokia's "main" platform. He is giving away what makes Nokia strong, which is its diversity of phone models. Why not just add W7 phones to the portfolio as one of their options? Maybe someone might say it divides up Nokia's development resources but surely that would be outweighed by getting to capitalise on their Meego and Maemo investment. And since he says it is all about ecosystems, there must be linux developers out there who are waiting for Meego to really kick in (i.e. at least one phone!) before porting Android apps over who are now just not going to be interested. My personal view is that Nokia's strength has always been in its hardware design. Their phones look and feel great and importantly have their own personality. If Nokia participates in an ecosystem they will get sales because of their hardware. In my opinion, a Nokia Android phone is logical because there will be plenty of people who want the Android OS but who also love the Nokia hardware.
Anonymous, 14 Feb 2011yes,there is some logic in adopting wp7 as one solution,but as primary (only)os?you can't be s... moreThen how would you propose Nokia do things? Stick to their crappy S^3 which is a big failure? Stick to the mythical MeeGo which guess what? Is even newer than WP7, has no user base, no foundations to back itself upon. Android was a success because it is Google, Google is worldly renown has tons of cash to throw at anything. Nokia ain't got sh*t these days, no one trust their name, they lose profit, sales, and market share by the minute. Nokia fanboys may be all over MeeGo once it drops, but how many average joe(majority of consumers) do you think will pick MeeGo over Android? Elop doesn't work for MS, he works for Nokia. He owns shares at MS, however his decisions at Nokia does not affect MS shares. Unless by Nokia using WP7 adds another 10 million WP7 sold it doesn't affect MS stocks. Even if by selling 10 million wp7 devices gives MS a profit, it also gives Nokia a profit too. You think Nokia didn't know about how many shares of MS did Elop have before they brought him on board? You really think Elop was hired without any background check?
Anonymous, 13 Feb 2011No, You don't get the logic. Android is far too developed, has too many solid foundations buil... moreYou put that very well. I also like your use of the word "reliable". Because reliable nokia aint. I got my n900 back finally after 2 months and i dont want it anymore lol I will get rid of it before it goes wrong again.
I'm going to go out on a limb here....I too was pissed when I found out the news, but here are some of my thoughts:
I live in USA and have the unlocked N8. I purchased the N8 mainly because AT&T never gets good Nokias and I'm not really into apple since I have 2 ipods already. Androids all look the same to me...tons of devices with them....not unique. Maybe having the wp7 will help Nokia get the lead out and start shelling out phones faster imo, for the fast moving subsidized market that is. Maybe I'll have a better chance now of getting a good AT&T subsidized phone.
To be honest, all I care about doing on my phone is:
1. Browsing the net of phone.
2. Using GPS on the phone.
3. Talking/Texting on the phone. (rules iphone out there...LOL)
4. Taking/sending pictures on the phone.
5. Listening to on-line radio on the phone.
6. Using phone as alarm clock daily.
7. Reading news feeds on my phone.
I'm looking forward to the new phones. I'm sure AT&T is all over this since they have many phones with wp7.
Yes, I'm still upset though...
I don't know if Nokia made the right move, or if they made a big mistake, but I believe it does not matter either way. They got so lost in the smartphone game that they may either never get out, or they will learn from their mistakes and progress. At least they are willing to take risks now and stop twiddling their thumbs. I think previous management was too self absorbed and not tech savvy enough. Elop hopefully can change that. Nokia has some of the best technology out there in development, but take so long to make a product based on it that everyone else has a product shipping before nokia even announces theirs. I am a nokia fan since the beginning, I hope they can grow and get up to speed with the industry.
Anonymous, 13 Feb 2011No, You don't get the logic. Android is far too developed, has too many solid foundations buil... moreyes,there is some logic in adopting wp7 as one solution,but as primary (only)os?you can't be serious...it's only good for ms,because of their miserable sales.and that backs us to point.elop is still working for ms.that's not fair,right?he will destroy nokia because ms wants to get into mobile os race
I think they made a mistake with the name that is written on those things that hang from the ceiling. It should have been Microsoft. There is no Nokia anymore.
I think you guys should start up some polls.
And a good one would be, who thinks Nokia has made the worse decision as yet to hire Stephen Elop!!!
Or who here refers to a WP7 by its manufacturer's name?
Or who refers to their phone as "android phone" instead of the name of their phone like "HTC Desire HD"?
All and all, I'm just surprised that Stephen Elop managed to sell these "reasons" to the directors of Nokia and persuade them to follow him. No wonder Nokia haven't been very innovative lately. XD
Sorry to say, you've completely lost me Nokia.
And I'm sure you'll soon see your brand "Nokia" die away.
Anonymous, 13 Feb 2011No, You don't get the logic. Android is far too developed, has too many solid foundations buil... morethey'll get WP8, but until 2011/2012, they will
b. Go kaput
c. Get taken over by M$
Good work, for you Gsmarena. I watched the whole thing from endgadget, read the related articles too.
Your article is so much more mature, well focused and complete, that it rests my eyes to read.
From my point of view, a statement for Symbian's support will not be enough to limit the damage that this guy made to Nokia with the anouncement of it's death and the actual dumping of any inhome OS. Fact that he veryfied the lack of exclusivity in MS-Nokia relationship is indicative Nokia's lower position in this. I note down that no exclusivity on the Nokia created content was verifyied either - more likely denied.
koapk, 13 Feb 2011Are we the only ones that don't quite get the logic here? They are trying to cut budget by buy... moreNo, You don't get the logic. Android is far too developed, has too many solid foundations built. In Android world, Samsung, HTC, and Motorola is King. They command basically the top end devices and people trust their devices when it comes to Android phones. If Nokia were to use android, people would question, "why would I pay $399+ for a Nokia android device that has no experience when it comes to android versus HTC, Samsung or Android?". Using WP7 which is still relatively new, Nokia can build customer base and then demand a higher price for their top devices once customers become accustomed to Nokia running WP7 and feel that they are reliable enough devices to be worth said premium.
Soooo, wait. Nokia didn't pick Android of the similarities in each device's hardware? Wait...... Shouldn't that have been said for WP7?
All the devices out right now are practically the same... And same goes for UI too.... So isn't WP7 more of the grey forest here? Well either way WP7 is a okie OS, and their design concepts are sexy too. So I'll let that comment slide.
Are we the only ones that don't quite get the logic here? They are trying to cut budget by buying externally developed phone software, instead of using the free Android. They also find the varied Android phone portfolio too conforming so they go for the WP7 scene where you can't quite catch any hardware difference among the available devices.
lol there's no logic...except that nokia is eaten by ms...and yes,elop is trojan horse
AnonD-252, 13 Feb 2011"are not internally developing the software" = he thinks Nokia programmers suck! &q... moreI think you are right. Elop could be a Microsoft agent. I would NEVER choose WP7 over Android or MeeGo!
Anonymous, 13 Feb 2011Your statement makes absolutely no sense in a business environment. Nokia would essentially be... moreYeah i think he is still working for microsoft...that wasnt a statement i am just hoping it goes like this in the end...
AnonD-397, 13 Feb 2011I no longer believe Nokia. All they had in the last 3 years have produced, there was plenty ... moreSorry Dorian, but the Nokia N8, C7 and upcoming E7 are great devices that do stand the competition.
AnonD-1024, 13 Feb 2011I think they will only use wp7 till meego gets real going...then there will be another stateme... moreYour statement makes absolutely no sense in a business environment. Nokia would essentially be saying "F*CK YOU" to their customers who have purchased WP7 devices. Do you really think Nokia is in a position right now to switch OS every 2-3 years? You're dreaming. Nokia dropped the ball, they were too slow to development S^3, too slow to develop MeeGo. Going with WP7 makes more business sense as it is just starting out in it's life. Nokia jumping on WP7 right now while its starting out allows Nokia to grab users on an even playing field with other WP7 devices from HTC, Samsung, LG, etc etc. However Nokia pretty much lost this race. Elop doesn't care, cause most likely in his negotiated contract when he leaves Nokia, he will receive a pretty nice severance package as well.