really cool, but the 960fps time limit brings it down. I hope the final version will offer at least twice of that.
It would also be cool if it could do 120fps or so in normal shooting mode, so that it could be used as a video smoothing effect normally, that then turns in to slow-mo. Combining the two would be really interesting, as that would expand the slow-mo capabilities, even if just parts of it could go super-slow-mo. But it still needs to be capable to record longer sessions of 960fps.
It quite clear in these videos, where the slow-mo cuts of before the action does, even if they do a count down.
Mixing playback speeds is cool, but not when it's as forced as here. Mostly it's used where the action starts off full speed and then slows down, here that would require hitting the 960fps trigger mid action, and that is hard to do.
I'm also worried about the over all image quality, Sony has backed down in resolution, and that gives me some hope that they have understood that they need to work on the per pixel image quality. But there is still the risk that is was done because of the full sensor read-out and that there has been no extra attention to the per pixel performance.
4K screens are nice for VR. So I hope they will offer some kind of VR acessory for this thing.
On the other hand, VR requires higher refresh-rates, so mobile screens are not up to the task, yet.
And I have some issue with Sony.
Sony has a lot of power when it comes to setting the BluRay specs.
Ultra HD blurays lack 3D support (it is possible to have a 1080p 3D version on the disc, but players are not required to play that back), and that seems really strange, when VR glasses finally offers a way to get 3D more widespread (and with full eye separation, it can look much better).
Sonys refreshed Playstation 4 models lack Ultra HD BluRay playback, even though Microsoft offers that in the Xbox One S.
And the Playstation VR can't be used for playback of 3D BluRays.
And they skipped on updating the Z3 to 7.0, even despite the fact it was one of the first phones in the industry, to actually run a version of it.
Normally, I would say that when you buy a phone, you should never expect an update. But the 6.0 update came with some compromises, so I felt let down by it. Googles battery saving stuff wasn't as good as Sonys own, used before that update. Especially when it comes to wifi. They re-introduced a version of the Stamina features, in one update, but that new stamina feature is way behind the old one, and doesn't offer the same wifi-standy.
So since users that wan't to leave wifi on, got much worse batterylife, I think Sony should have given it the 7.0 update as some compensation.
Also, given Sonys track record for updates, and factoring in how long the z3 was sold, for those that bought it later in the life cycle, it did not offer the kind of updating that was expected. In fact at the end of the day, it got less updates than the Samsung Galaxy S5, and a lot of people have been complaining that Samsung are much worse than others when it comes to updates, Sony often got praise for beeing better, as it turns out, they are not.
AnonD-491921, 27 Feb 2017They are using a IMX498 sesonr and samsun is pretty good at camera sensors too.They use their ... moreActually, its 23mp in 4:3 and 20mp in 16:9.
Went on my x compacts camera.
AnonD-491921, 27 Feb 2017They are using a IMX498 sesonr and samsun is pretty good at camera sensors too.They use their ... moreWow, imx 498....
Where did that come out from...
Sammy sensors dont even have imx in name.
Oh man, you sure can talk much nonyense in your fnboy rants....
Tann Hauser, 27 Feb 2017As far as I know, you can record squat if your camera sensor is not up to it. Other way arou... moreThey are using a IMX498 sesonr and samsun is pretty good at camera sensors too.They use their own in half of their processors.sony is actually not using 23MP of their sensor.It is 21MP in one orientation and 19MP other orientation.SD650 supports 21 MP camera.So sony is doing nothing out of ordinary.and their smartphone camera app is bad
AnonD-491921, 27 Feb 2017Well 4K recording at 60 fps isnt possible in a SD835.while exynos can do that.As far as I know, you can record squat if your camera sensor is not up to it.
Other way around is possible tho with the right coding instructions from the sensor maker.
Thats how Sony got a 23 mpx sensor working on sd650 that actually doesnt support 23 mpx.
Thats how Sony can enable 4k recording at 60 fps on sd835 if they wanted.
But its utter overkill.
But exynos, nah no 4k at 60fps with those old imx and sammys own sensors.
Maybe if they developed more advanced one of their own on Imx400 level.
Lex79, 27 Feb 2017He's right, that ability is listed in the specs of the new 8895. Whether that ability is actua... moreThe SoC may be powerful enough..
The cam sensor is not.. Too sad
XZs has imx400 too. The DRAM inside it does the job, not the Snapdragon 835.
Without DRAM the sensor cannot do it.
Me, 27 Feb 2017You wishHe's right, that ability is listed in the specs of the new 8895. Whether that ability is actually enabled and utilised in whatever devices it end up in is another question.
Recording 4K @60fps is likely to generate a substantial amount heat on a smartphone even if the soc is capable of supporting it.
AnonD-491921, 27 Feb 2017Well 4K recording at 60 fps isnt possible in a SD835.while exynos can do that.You wish
Lex79, 27 Feb 2017Just watched the Recombo video! What I meant was there is now way to change which portion o... moreYes you can select which portion you want... With lower frame rate like 240fps or the good old 120fps
AnonD-125141, 27 Feb 2017True. Common brands consumers thinks that "whatever common in smartphones technologies are ... moreyeah sony is playing in a different playing field.A minefield and with each phone the cone up they jump 200 feet into air and shatter into 1000 pieces
Anonymous, 27 Feb 2017I can't agree or disagree with your timeshift app opinion, I don't know your device or other f... moreLike I said the technical reasoning behind the limitation is entirely fine.
I have also stated that, when used right this will be rightly stunning. As an end user though, for slo-mo purposes I would take the iPhone/Pixel approach over this, even though the fps is far lower.
And that say that as someone whom could quite possibly end up purchasing an XZS.
Moses, 27 Feb 2017http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201702/17-013E/Its the same sensor.
But Im affraid the strongest available SoC today is not sufficient for 4k at 60 fps. Its just too ahead of today SoC capabilities.
Thats why they keep 960 fps at HD only too.
Lex79, 27 Feb 2017You can yes, via the 'timeshift' video app, which claims to record 120fps @720p (but is actual... moreI can't agree or disagree with your timeshift app opinion, I don't know your device or other factors when you're using it.
Other than that, even dedicated cameras do lower resolution to achieve hfr. And even the RX100 has only 2 second hfr limit. This is a smartphone you shouldn't expect longer footage and even if it did, it'd probably take long to process and edit. From what I've seen you choose the hfr part while recording. It'll take some trial and error but you can slow whichever part you want this way with only a second time limit. And it's perferctly reasonable at this form facotr as I've explained.
Anonymous, 27 Feb 2017You can do that in lower fps. But this one is hw spesific. The in camera ram handles it, can't... moreYou can yes, via the 'timeshift' video app, which claims to record 120fps @720p (but is actually lower res footage upscaled).
I get why its happening this way in the new devices as it's dependant on the extra hardware in the camera set up. All I'm saying is that as an end user, the functionality of this is limited.