ZolaIII, 16 Mar 2017Really? S660 will destroy S82x series & cannibalise even S835 sails that's why QC will pro... moreSd660 is made in 22nm (or 16nm) and it only will perform similar, not same with sd821 also the gpu will be inferior since they will use midrange gpu instead not mentioning less efficiency
AnonD-248589, 17 Mar 2017Qualcomm needs to expand capacity, this shortage is ridiculous.Agreed, ofcourse this plays into Samsungs hand very nicely. If it continues like this all tech enthousiasts will go for the s8 on launch since that will be the only smartphone with a SD835 for a while.
So it's basicly boning other manufacturers.
tonyT, 16 Mar 2017Sounds like shit. What's the point to buy a Mi 6 then if it's no better than a Mi 5S.Good point I tend to agree, it's better to wait for the SD835 variant instead.
Anonymous, 16 Mar 2017Until I see news of Xiaomi's Pinecone SoCs coming to other OEMs, I have to consider Xiaomi as ... moreUr comment is THE MOST SELFISH ones I have read this week...
Options to sell or buy other company's chipset lies at BOTH the chipset makers & the buyer.
For example, MANY company AVOID buying Spreadtrum SoC, not because their SoC EXCLUSIVE for Samsung low-to-mid range devices, BUT because those companies think that buying their chipsets "just because" Samsung also using them as a CHEAPER alternative of MediaTek is DOWNRIGHT IDIOT.
In short, there are companies which "labeled" certain chipset "unworthy" by looking at its performance, its sales, its price, its BRAND POWER, and its kernel source.
For example, Exynos chipsets cost as expensive as Snapdragon, even the low-end ones, BUT MOST manufacturers choose to buy Snapdragon over Exynos, BECAUSE of their kernel source, as well as Qualcomm's BRAND POWER.
For HiSilicon case, ALL manufacturers (except Huawei) don't use their chipset, may be from the "half-baked" performance, which also shown by MediaTek SoCs.
As MOST people knows, until recently, ALL HiSilicon SoC lacks "important" features that have been available on rivals' SoC for some time, such as Quick charge, 4K video recording support, 4K display support, mid-to-high-end GPU solutions, etc.
So, after reading this much, do u understand why Xiaomi might / might not sold their SoC to other brands? It can be because XIAOMI SIMPLY does not want to, it can be because OTHER MANUFACTURERS do not want to, OR it can be because the manufacturing capacity of theirs capable of ONLY making small amount, enough for themselves.
As MANY fabless company, such as Texas Instruments, ST-Ericsson, and Broadcom have died, Qualcomm's monopoly become clear as day as it was the "only" existing company that still "kind" enough to release their kernel source while keep giving decent-to-high SoC performance, unli Exynos, Kirin, Apple, & MediaTek who refused to share their kernel source to outsiders.
If Xiaomi delay Mi 6 because SD835 availability, then Nokia and LG need to delay it too coz the list is Samsung, Sony, Xiaomi and etc lol. Thanks to Samsung.
tonyT, 16 Mar 2017Sounds like shit. What's the point to buy a Mi 6 then if it's no better than a Mi 5S.blame Samsung :P .
AnonD-633663, 16 Mar 2017I agree with you, but...This is why I will probably buy an helio X30 device. More powerful tha... moreWell actually used PowerVR is far from really efficient and certainly less efficient than current Adrenos (A530 & A510) actually A 510 is absolutel charmer regarding its on 28nm HPM & paird only with LPDDR 3 dual channel 32 bit controller. As MTK is pushing frequencies its safe to assume peak will stay at 5W while performance should be 20% up from Aple A9 and probably better than A530 on 14nm with at least 1W less consumption.
AnonD-491921, 16 Mar 2017They are mot blackmaililng.10nm transistor yields are very low.7nm transistor will be even low... moreSamsung is withholding both chip production on 10nm FinFET node (with producing Exunos SoC on it) & first S835 batches for its products. I am not really certain yields are all that bad after all they are ramping up production & they announced how they plan to develop & maintain a 7nm production at 30K 350mm wafers per month (which is actually a lot) for a next year. Rooting is becoming a nightmare for smaller FinFET node's both of in terms of needed time and expenses.
Sounds like shit. What's the point to buy a Mi 6 then if it's no better than a Mi 5S.
S3mm, 16 Mar 2017Dont judge the chip by model Cause by next year, sd835 also will be replaced but think, sd 82... moreReally? S660 will destroy S82x series & cannibalise even S835 sails that's why QC will pro spone it's production even reference core's & 14nm FinFET nodes are not the problem.
So the king is snapdragon..
If you don't have you are out of flagship grade on paper.
Really sad monopoly for Android players.
They could have made a real statement if they released the Mi 6 using the high-end PineCone chipset.
k0l9, 16 Mar 2017Snapdragon 821 is unacceptable on the future devices definition of future: Something fresh New... moreDont judge the chip by model
Cause by next year, sd835 also will be replaced but think, sd 821 is 14nm high perf. chip. It will take at least 2 years for qualcom to make a chip that can match it other than their topline 800 series
Anonymous, 16 Mar 2017Until I see news of Xiaomi's Pinecone SoCs coming to other OEMs, I have to consider Xiaomi as ... moreI think the other gentlemen was talking in regards to samnsung's actions about sd835 and not their exynos series....
So your argument is invalid.
AnonD-523334, 16 Mar 2017Ridiculous reasoning. They are developing pinecone for the safety from hoardings like this by ... moreThey are mot blackmaililng.10nm transistor yields are very low.7nm transistor will be even low.we are at the limit of 5nm transistor which are the smallest that can be used efficiently.many ignorant people are bashing samsung because they think samsung is withholding chips from other manufacturers.