Anonymous, 12 Sep 2017hence while you sum all components, you don't reach 300$ each year.Where do you get the money to develop it then?
Extrem Ultra Violet (EUV) litography sounds like some pretty high end tech
AnonD-672395, 11 Sep 2017Samsung has already relegated Intel to 2nd position since the end of last year. I feel, Sams... moreThis is wrong, samsung only had better density with the launch of 10nm and you look at kirin 970 revelation of 55mil transistors per mm2, we may have tsmc in the lead again. Will be interesting to see what apple reveals later.
Anonymous, 11 Sep 2017"The chip area will be reduced by 10%, meaning the manufacturing price of chips will fall" ... morePrices rises because of DRAM shortages, storage's exponential growth and new, harder to build ''xHD+/Full Vision/Infinity/Whatever Vision'' displays. And, you know, to get more of your money. The die shrink is useful for bigger batteries and more components, and IS cheaper to produce.
"The chip area will be reduced by 10%, meaning the manufacturing price of chips will fall"
but the phone prices will be rise.
Kangal, 11 Sep 2017Currently Samsung makes the best wafers.
However their 10nm wafers are barely better than Int... moreSamsung has already relegated Intel to 2nd position since the end of last year.
I feel, Samsung should invest a lot more in Chip designing, SoC and DSP architecture. There is a bit of stagnancy or unimpressive growth in the smartphone industry due to lack of disruptive innovation in Chip and SoC designing. Like producing DSPs that help Smartphoen shoot 10 bit 4-2-2 video or even higher speeds. Maybe something that can handle the processor workload that something like the l16 Light Camera needs (right now, it is grossly under powered foe it's processing needs).
Also Samsung needs to work on the next generation of embedded flash storage, pushing it many times faster than is currently available.
Samsung is the largest chip maker in the world and the largest smartphone maker too. It must ensure it pushes itself way above and beyond the competition, if it wants to maintain that dominant position. While it is genuinely innovating in many ways, it can still do better.
AnonD-596087, 11 Sep 2017Gosh, u r in every article bashing a chipset that's not yet released and that u have never exp... moreYeah sure, just all the detail are available about chipset publicly for everyone, and it's as usual gpu sucks, so else you want me to say, praise wanna be "high end" chipset which can't compete with big dogs?
AnonD-434295, 11 Sep 2017But 11 nm transistor have better efficiency than 14 nm Intel transistor. And it's good thing i... moreIntel's process is tweaked for higher clockspeed and power and samsung's 11nm will not be denser than intel's 14nm, it is their 10nm that can compete with intel's 14nm++. The 11nm is just an improved 14nm, they call it 11nm because tsmc call their improved 16nm, 12nm , it's so in their marketing slides consumers will think it's better even though actual performance will probably be similar.
Kangal, 11 Sep 2017Currently Samsung makes the best wafers. However their 10nm wafers are barely better than Int... moreNo, they call it 11 nm to make consumers think it's better than tsmc's 12 nm(which itself is just an improved version of 16nm), that's all it is, to fool consumers. Which one is actually better only the engineers know like how the tsmc 16nm iphone 6 chip beat the samsung 14nm iphone 6 chip in battery life.
Vegetaholic, 11 Sep 2017970 is rubbish, no chance to compete against exynosGosh, u r in every article bashing a chipset that's not yet released and that u have never experienced in real life aren't ye?
Anonymous, 11 Sep 2017Nah, Huawei beat them to it with 10nm Kirin 970 970 is rubbish, no chance to compete against exynos
Anonymous, 11 Sep 2017Nah, Huawei beat them to it with 10nm Kirin 970 Huaweii doesn't make their own chips.. You are taking about Huaweii designed chips, which then are made by fabs such as Samsung, which this article is about.
Even if it was about chip designs, Samsung designed AND manufactured their 10nm ones early this year, as well as manufactured the 10nm Snapdragon 835 chips..
Cool, but so far reducing manufacturing process does t help to catch up with beastly apple chipsets, I think it is time to think about some serious architecture redesigns for future chipset not just to shrink them, battery life is not improving significantly anyway
Never forget that any technology, that will supposedly be released in the near future, already exists.
AnonD-514012, 11 Sep 2017So we can have even thinner phones.SoC not play any role or a part of Thinner Phone.. BATTERY, Yes..
Kangal, 11 Sep 2017Currently Samsung makes the best wafers. However their 10nm wafers are barely better than Int... moreBut 11 nm transistor have better efficiency than 14 nm Intel transistor. And it's good thing in mobile industry where we have limited battery capacity
Definitely a good news. Well done and keep it up to Samsung then.
AngryGoomba, 11 Sep 2017That is an impressive technological feat, considering even the smallest viruses and bacterias ... moreUnfortunately, for a while now these numbers haven't been representative of the actual width of any component on a chip. They are just marketing buzzwords. Yes, the 7nm chips are thinner than the 11nm ones, but nothing on them is necessarily 7nm wide.
For instance, this wiki article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_nanometer) states the following:
The naming of process nodes by different major manufacturers (TSMC, Intel, Samsung, GlobalFoundries) is partially marketing driven and not directly related to any measurable distance on a chip - for example TSMC's 7nm node is similar in some key dimensions to Intel's 10nm node.
So we can have even thinner phones.